Block 11 Rep Letter
07-22-2007, 09:36 AM
#11
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Position: Who knows...waiting for a bid
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This whole process is very disheartening. As a former military guy, just getting exposure to a union....the CBA, lets ban together...great, brothers in arms. Age 65, loa, screw you and all that are junior to me, it won't affect me. Man, this is just downright disgusting. I hope that someone can talk some sense into these jerks and bring them back to planet reality and show them who they are screwing over.
Vote NO! Take the time and register.
Vote NO! Take the time and register.
07-22-2007, 09:55 AM
#12
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Originally Posted by Daniel Larusso
On the thread awaiting the Minority/Con opinion, I mentioned that this would happen. The policy manual only requires a con position paper to be published to the membership. After that is done, they are under no obligation to discuss/acknowledge it any further. This is true at any ALPA carrier with any MEC. That is why you will not hear about it at roadshows, hub-turn meetings, e-mails, etc unless the membership holds their feet to the fire on it. It's also why you get that timeshare feeling after going to any type of roadshow. The way the bylaws are written, once a MEC endorses a deal, it is a seriously tough road to derail them from getting 50 + 1 % of the vote.
I voiced the same b1tch to my rep. I've worked hard on a committee for three years now and I'm not afforded the privilege of the ALPA email chain. Letting anyone get access would obviously result in chaos, but tit for tat seems democratic...
07-22-2007, 11:31 AM
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[QUOTE=SleepyF18;200135][QUOTE=av8rmike;200113] I've worked hard on a committee for three years now and I'm not afforded the privilege of the ALPA email chain.
What committee?
Military Affairs. Should not be hard to pin me down now...
What committee?
07-22-2007, 03:28 PM
#16
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Joined APC: Mar 2006
Position: Retired MD11 Capt
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[quote=av8rmike;200153][quote=SleepyF18;200135]
Hmmmmm... Am I the only one who has the feeling that you're about to be thanked for your 3 years of hard work and then shown the door? The way the management of our union has started to sound like the management of our company, it wouldn't surprise me. Dissent from within will not be tolerated.
Originally Posted by av8rmike
I've worked hard on a committee for three years now and I'm not afforded the privilege of the ALPA email chain.
Military Affairs. Should not be hard to pin me down now...
Military Affairs. Should not be hard to pin me down now...
Hmmmmm... Am I the only one who has the feeling that you're about to be thanked for your 3 years of hard work and then shown the door? The way the management of our union has started to sound like the management of our company, it wouldn't surprise me. Dissent from within will not be tolerated.
07-22-2007, 04:21 PM
#17
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[QUOTE=Nitefrater;200245][quote=av8rmike;200153]
Hmmmmm... Am I the only one who has the feeling that you're about to be thanked for your 3 years of hard work and then shown the door? The way the management of our union has started to sound like the management of our company, it wouldn't surprise me. Dissent from within will not be tolerated.
Doubtful. We are working on a few big issues right now. I've dissented before (loudly) on other issues and they've kept me around. Also, I work cheap (read free)...
Originally Posted by SleepyF18
Hmmmmm... Am I the only one who has the feeling that you're about to be thanked for your 3 years of hard work and then shown the door? The way the management of our union has started to sound like the management of our company, it wouldn't surprise me. Dissent from within will not be tolerated.
07-22-2007, 04:37 PM
#18
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Originally Posted by ECQLO
I just talked to EI and he is very disappointed with the whole process. He sent another update to the union for distribution prior to the vote and the MEC did not put it out. I guess they rather not see any more dissenting opinions floating around. By the way, most of the HKG apts are not furnished. If they said that in the meeting that is far from the truth. You can find furnished apartments but they are not affordable. Almost all the apartments in Discovery Bay and The Gold Coast areas of HKG, which is what you will be able to afford with the company's allowance, are not furnished. I am also pretty sure that furnished apartments in CDG won't be an affordable option.
07-22-2007, 05:19 PM
#20
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Enough Already?
Who's had enough? I have ...
Age 65 Stance
I expect the leadership of the Union to represent the majority of pilots. Period. Don't act like your my Dad and do what you think is best without my (our) input -- read this as conducting a VOTE of the membership-- not Wilson Center polling.
Thanks for the representation guys! Well done. I can't believe no one guy on the MEC spoke up and said, "This issue is critical, we need to send it to the membership for a vote". Let the pilots decide. Didn't happen. Unanimous -- means not one person had the stones to say something.
FDA LOA
I expect the leadership to negotiate GAINS -- not break even, not give backs. FDX makes an exorbinant amount of money annually because of the hard work of its employees and sound business practices. FDX can afford to PROPERLY offset FDA financial concerns for pilots and their families.
This LOA represents the "low ball" offer regardless of the assurances that this is as good as it gets ... I don't trust the company with the written or spoken word anymore. Just like professional sports -- you get what you negotiate and what the market will bear. I say we tell Maliniak, Cassell, and Lewis, to go ... back to the table.
The Scope guarantees (is there really such a thing?) would be nice, but not taken along with this PATHETIC, WOEFULLY INADEQUATE POS LOA!
VOTE NO. PERIOD. Show some spine and stand up!
Wear your ALPA lanyards INSIDE OUT and your pins UPSIDE DOWN. Quite a few DISENFRANCHISED MEMBERS are doing this. I think it sends a very telling message -- we aren't going to quit the Union, but the Union has fallen well short of expectations.
Times like these make me question the INTELLIGENCE of pilots negotiating on behalf of pilots VS. a Fortune 500 company like FDX. Never take investment advice from a fellow pilot, never follow some get rich scheme from a fellow pilot, never go into business with another pilot ... should I place my current/future earnings and quality of life in the hands of negotiators who took an ALPA sponsored negotiating course and call themselves qualified? Well, I guess we do since this is all we've got.
IMO -- Much rather have professional negotiators do the dirty work. Then we can FIRE THEM when they don't get the job done! What a concept!
As for our elected/volunteer representatives spending upwards of 3 hours on 2 separate occasions addressing the concerns of our pilot group -- thanks for the sacrifice. If it hurts so much: step down, leave, quit, whatever it takes.
I feel my 1.95% of earnings is a complete waste over these 2 issues. Relatively satisfied with contract negotiations. Not great, just OK. But thanks for the efforts by the NC and MEC. Age 65 and the FDA LOA have shown either a severe case of misguided judgement and/or post contract negotiations APATHY. You decide.
FOLKS, WE NEED TO CLEAN HOUSE.
At least we get to vote on the FDA LOA. Thanks for that.
VOTE NO!
Age 65 Stance
I expect the leadership of the Union to represent the majority of pilots. Period. Don't act like your my Dad and do what you think is best without my (our) input -- read this as conducting a VOTE of the membership-- not Wilson Center polling.
Thanks for the representation guys! Well done. I can't believe no one guy on the MEC spoke up and said, "This issue is critical, we need to send it to the membership for a vote". Let the pilots decide. Didn't happen. Unanimous -- means not one person had the stones to say something.
FDA LOA
I expect the leadership to negotiate GAINS -- not break even, not give backs. FDX makes an exorbinant amount of money annually because of the hard work of its employees and sound business practices. FDX can afford to PROPERLY offset FDA financial concerns for pilots and their families.
This LOA represents the "low ball" offer regardless of the assurances that this is as good as it gets ... I don't trust the company with the written or spoken word anymore. Just like professional sports -- you get what you negotiate and what the market will bear. I say we tell Maliniak, Cassell, and Lewis, to go ... back to the table.
The Scope guarantees (is there really such a thing?) would be nice, but not taken along with this PATHETIC, WOEFULLY INADEQUATE POS LOA!
VOTE NO. PERIOD. Show some spine and stand up!
Wear your ALPA lanyards INSIDE OUT and your pins UPSIDE DOWN. Quite a few DISENFRANCHISED MEMBERS are doing this. I think it sends a very telling message -- we aren't going to quit the Union, but the Union has fallen well short of expectations.
Times like these make me question the INTELLIGENCE of pilots negotiating on behalf of pilots VS. a Fortune 500 company like FDX. Never take investment advice from a fellow pilot, never follow some get rich scheme from a fellow pilot, never go into business with another pilot ... should I place my current/future earnings and quality of life in the hands of negotiators who took an ALPA sponsored negotiating course and call themselves qualified? Well, I guess we do since this is all we've got.
IMO -- Much rather have professional negotiators do the dirty work. Then we can FIRE THEM when they don't get the job done! What a concept!
As for our elected/volunteer representatives spending upwards of 3 hours on 2 separate occasions addressing the concerns of our pilot group -- thanks for the sacrifice. If it hurts so much: step down, leave, quit, whatever it takes.
I feel my 1.95% of earnings is a complete waste over these 2 issues. Relatively satisfied with contract negotiations. Not great, just OK. But thanks for the efforts by the NC and MEC. Age 65 and the FDA LOA have shown either a severe case of misguided judgement and/or post contract negotiations APATHY. You decide.
FOLKS, WE NEED TO CLEAN HOUSE.
At least we get to vote on the FDA LOA. Thanks for that.
VOTE NO!
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