prezbear

fdxmd11fo,

According to the LOA:

"STV's shall only be available for the first two years after each FDA opens."

There goes the "until the end of time" argument. Sorry.

They will offer the STV for bid, just like SIBA. If they can't fill it with volunteers, they can inverse assign. I will bet that the company will be flexible.

DiamondZ

So as long as its adequate for some and not everyone its okay?

Where's the unity?

STV is the company's insurance policy against this low ball offer....STV will could affect a significant number of pilots AGAINST THEIR CHOICE.

Vote down the LOA and EVERYONE controls his/her future.

prezbear

Gooch,

I want to be as factual as possible, so to do that I will be brief.

The company came to us requesting help in making the postal contract work. They wanted an LOA to cover it and were willing to give a few things in return for some extra flying from us. I believe the union leadership at the time felt like they had the company over a barrel and made a counteroffer that would essentially fix all the elements of the 1999 contract that they felt were concessionary, or needed improvement.

The unions list was long. I thought it was great. I thought it showed a lot of courage to make such demands. In the end, the company dropped its offer and just put the additional flying into the schedule or in open time.

Some crewmembers compare turning down this LOA to the company's offer in the spring of 2006. Like it or not, our negotiating committee sat down and hashed out an agreement. That offer from the company was an attempt to forego the collective bargaining process under Section VI of the RLA. It was a stunt and we didn't fall for it.

hfbpilot

Since you truly believe that it will go senior and very little inverse assigments will happen. Will you take any STV inversion I might get? After all you see it as no big deal, its really a vacation.

fdxmd11fo

Prezbear, every time they change aircraft it starts the 2 year clock again. The same as when they remove an aircraft it starts the 18 month over again.

A 757 CDG is a different FDA than a airbus CDG, that is how they can keep SVT going.

Part of what got us a contract was Subic and Anchorage guys not flying extra. With this LOA all the company has to do is put in a new aircraft in the FDA and they can stall for 2 more years, then they take the aircraft out and they can stall for another 18 months

prezbear

CaptainMark,

Agreed.

If we vote for the LOA, we have some things that we didn't have before. We keep our current Section 6 relocation package, but have optional "enhancements" in case we want to bid an FDA and not take a full move. We also get the STV. Of course, the company already has the ability to "establish SIBA in the Memphis pilot domicile from which to conduct that flying." (CBA Section 25.W.1) And, "If a SIBA remains unfilled, it may be assigned to the most junior qualified pilot holding them appropriate crew position." In addition, "An inverse assignment shall be for the duration of the posted SIBA." (CBA Section 25.W.3)

I say vote Yes. Then don't bid it. I know there are guys that might vote no and then bid it anyway. Now, I can appreciate anyone that wants to stay in Asia, but it doesn't make sense to vote this LOA down and bid for it. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face.

Vote it down based on principal? What principal? The LOA has been negotiated. The company won't come back to the table. To come back to the table means the company is giving in. A poor precedent for Contract 2010. If we vote this down, the company will probably (I say probably because none of us has a crystal ball) just put the bid out and see how many bid it. If they fill the Captain's slots without any "enhancements", we're screwed.

It's not about giving in or standing up for what's right at this point. It's about getting 300+ pilots into these domiciles and securing our future.

prezbear

Really fdxmd11fo, do you think that the company is going to change gauge just to mess with us? I really don't think so.

prezbear

Absolutely! I'm single. It's easy for me. I didn't say it's a vacation. Although I have spoken with guys in Memphis just this weekend that looked at it that way.

fdxmd11fo

So prez, by voting yes and then not bidding it i give the company the ability so send me when they want to and to only pay me blg and per diem for up to 35 days in stead of the SIBA line where I get Rig for the time i am gone

fdxmd11fo

the Company has already said that HK will add the md-11 later.

To answer your question Prez, I don't put anything past this company, Especially when it comes to moving thd freight.

Hell Yes they will change airplanes to keep the boxes moving