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07-29-2007, 07:34 PM
#21
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Originally Posted by BrownGirls YUM
Whoah, pardner....I don't agree with that. Not a CHANCE. Not without putting people into seats right off the street. IMHO, that's the reason for the full-court press by Jack-O et al. to get the uninformed to vote.
07-29-2007, 07:40 PM
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Originally Posted by BrownGirls YUM
Where's the argument? What am I missing? Under the LOA, any seats that aren't taken in a bid will go STV. Whether guys are all over it like a cheap suit, or running from it like it was Margarette-Thatcher-naked-on-a-cold-day, they will be filled.
Thus the utterly ridiculous notion that somehow voting FOR the LOA and then "just not bidding it" will somehow empower the pilots with more leverage.
Thus the utterly ridiculous notion that somehow voting FOR the LOA and then "just not bidding it" will somehow empower the pilots with more leverage.
Brown,
What universe of pilots will the company use to STV from? Are you saying that the company will just inverse the most junior pilots into HKG or CDG?
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07-29-2007, 07:40 PM
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What bribery, per diem? They said no more than what they came to the table with right? Oh yeah, they flinched and lessened the STV...I didn't see any bribery in the first side letter, maybe the second
07-29-2007, 07:48 PM
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Originally Posted by MrSuupafly
He's NOT saying the seats won't get filled. He's saying, if we pass this thing and no one bids it. THE SEATS WILL GET FILLED BY STV.
If we vote it down, they open the FDAs anyway, no one bids it, the only way they'll get you there is by SIBA (IMO, much better deal than STV).
Is that correct, Brown...?
If we vote it down, they open the FDAs anyway, no one bids it, the only way they'll get you there is by SIBA (IMO, much better deal than STV).
Is that correct, Brown...?
07-29-2007, 07:51 PM
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Originally Posted by FR8Hauler
The fo seats will be filled either by STV or the new enhanced Purple Nugget Program. Sorry to burst your bubble but it will happen.
07-29-2007, 07:56 PM
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Originally Posted by SleepyF18
I'm trying to figure out why some think that travel to and from STV is unpaid?
The LOA changed the travel language for Special Temporary Vacancies to more closely resemble travel to a FDA then travel for a Temporary Vacancy. Which of these two more closely resembles the LOA langage:
CBA FDA:
A pilot, and dependents who relocate to the FDA location, shall be provided one way air transportation to the FDA location prior to the commencement of the assignment and return transportation to the pilot's domicile at the conclusion of his assignment.
CBA Temporary Vacancy:
The Company shall provide a pilot holding a temporary vacancy with:
Deadhead transportation between his base and the domicile of his temporary vacancy at the beginning and end of the temporary vacancy;
LOA:
A pilot shall be entitled to one business class ticket positioning him to the STV location at the beginning of his assignment and back to his permanent base at the conclusion of his assignment.
Why change the language if you aren't changing the intent; but put it in writing and I'll believe it. Too bad LOA is now written in stone.
07-29-2007, 08:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
I believe your in the minority as to believeing the seats will not get filled..
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
What different does it make if they are new hires?
Think about the cost to the company for a new hire on the list who would not have otherwise been on the property, versus STV'ing the guy who was hired last year.
Think about the cost difference and efficiency issues with SIBA versus what you agree is a concessionary STV.
Big difference.
They don't want to hire unnecessarily.
07-29-2007, 08:09 PM
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Originally Posted by prezbear
Brown,
What universe of pilots will the company use to STV from? Are you saying that the company will just inverse the most junior pilots into HKG or CDG?
What universe of pilots will the company use to STV from? Are you saying that the company will just inverse the most junior pilots into HKG or CDG?
07-29-2007, 08:13 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
I am trying to figure out why some think it will.
The LOA changed the travel language for Special Temporary Vacancies to more closely resemble travel to a FDA then travel for a Temporary Vacancy. Which of these two more closely resembles the LOA langage:
CBA FDA:
A pilot, and dependents who relocate to the FDA location, shall be provided one way air transportation to the FDA location prior to the commencement of the assignment and return transportation to the pilot's domicile at the conclusion of his assignment.
CBA Temporary Vacancy:
The Company shall provide a pilot holding a temporary vacancy with:
Deadhead transportation between his base and the domicile of his temporary vacancy at the beginning and end of the temporary vacancy;
LOA:
A pilot shall be entitled to one business class ticket positioning him to the STV location at the beginning of his assignment and back to his permanent base at the conclusion of his assignment.
Why change the language if you aren't changing the intent; but put it in writing and I'll believe it. Too bad LOA is now written in stone.
The LOA changed the travel language for Special Temporary Vacancies to more closely resemble travel to a FDA then travel for a Temporary Vacancy. Which of these two more closely resembles the LOA langage:
CBA FDA:
A pilot, and dependents who relocate to the FDA location, shall be provided one way air transportation to the FDA location prior to the commencement of the assignment and return transportation to the pilot's domicile at the conclusion of his assignment.
CBA Temporary Vacancy:
The Company shall provide a pilot holding a temporary vacancy with:
Deadhead transportation between his base and the domicile of his temporary vacancy at the beginning and end of the temporary vacancy;
LOA:
A pilot shall be entitled to one business class ticket positioning him to the STV location at the beginning of his assignment and back to his permanent base at the conclusion of his assignment.
Why change the language if you aren't changing the intent; but put it in writing and I'll believe it. Too bad LOA is now written in stone.
Right now, if I DH to/from Asia or Europe I get a FIRST class ticket. If I am "awarded" a STV, I get a BUSINESS class ticket. Isn't that another pucking concession?
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