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Toccata 08-13-2007 02:15 AM


Originally Posted by machz990 (Post 213287)
I too was in the AOC two days prior to the end of the vote. I was working on a computer and overheard 3 older guys next to me. One started out saying how he was voting for it because the MEC says the LOA is good so it's got to be good. The other 2 agreed with him. There was no discussion on any elements of the LOA.

Here in Melvisville, it's been humorous, and kinda sad, over the years to watch the church buses getting loaded up during elections in certain sections of the city, PA systems blaring, herding the sheep to the vote. Most, if not all, not having the slightest idea of any of the issues, or candidates positions.

We'd sit back, shake our heads, and self-righteously think to ourselves "no wonder all the problems exist in that community..."

Based on our voter turnout, and some of the reports here - I'm guessing half the voters had not read the documents.

But, the buses showed up on schedule, instructions were given, votes were cast, glasses of sweet ice tea handed out......

No question that apathy is bad. Ignorant voters - I wish we were above that level. I truly hope we don't hear any "I didn't know that!" "How can they do that!" type comments from any who voted yes.

The founding fathers did have some good ideas for voting that never materialized.

MD11Fr8Dog 08-13-2007 04:50 AM


Originally Posted by AerisArmis (Post 213737)
No...but he could play the banjo in one of the Metro stations and make.....what?......20-25 euros a day?


He may have to! Same for the STV guys!:(

AerisArmis 08-13-2007 08:00 AM


Originally Posted by SC-7 (Post 213771)
and then.... reality set in.


"Please stand by, mon ami, while I make sure none of my several roommates are sponge-bathing in the common area.

Ah, I see the coast is clear. No, please, come in. Would you care for a cracker and some cooking sherry?

I must say, your eyes look quite lovely in the glow of the trash fires. I'm sorry, what was that again? I could not quite make it out over the police sirens.

But you cannot leave yet! I 'ave already paid your bar fine!"


:D

Now that's funny, well done

FDXLAG 08-13-2007 08:33 AM


Originally Posted by Toccata (Post 213781)
Here in Melvisville, it's been humorous, and kinda sad, over the years to watch the church buses getting loaded up during elections in certain sections of the city, PA systems blaring, herding the sheep to the vote. Most, if not all, not having the slightest idea of any of the issues, or candidates positions.

We'd sit back, shake our heads, and self-righteously think to ourselves "no wonder all the problems exist in that community..."

Based on our voter turnout, and some of the reports here - I'm guessing half the voters had not read the documents.

But, the buses showed up on schedule, instructions were given, votes were cast, glasses of sweet ice tea handed out......

No question that apathy is bad. Ignorant voters - I wish we were above that level. I truly hope we don't hear any "I didn't know that!" "How can they do that!" type comments from any who voted yes.

The founding fathers did have some good ideas for voting that never materialized.

No Sh1t

All the praising of the voter turn out. I would love to see a test before you vote.

1. Who is your block rep?

2. What does DP stand for?

3. What does STV stand for?

The number of votes would have been cut in half and we would have had an informed decision.

Nitefrater 08-13-2007 09:35 AM

Hmmmm. I was wrong.

This LOA is a good deal.

2253 of my fellow pilots say so.

So I guess with so many of them thinking this is a good deal, the FDAs will go senior, and I won't have to worry about being invol'ed to an STV.

And with so many saying that it's a good deal, I guess we don't need to spend negotiating capital to make it better next time around.

Silver linings in every cloud...

MAWK90 08-13-2007 10:09 AM


Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 213891)
No Sh1t

All the praising of the voter turn out. I would love to see a test before you vote.

1. Who is your block rep?

2. What does DP stand for?

3. What does STV stand for?

The number of votes would have been cut in half and we would have had an informed decision.

The thing that irked me is the Union's incessant "push" to remind us to vote, and also reminding us that we could change our vote. Did THEY want it that badly. Why not just shut up and let the voters vote without manipulation. I am very disappointed and still think that something is afoul here. My trust of the MEC is at a low right now.

machz990 08-13-2007 11:40 AM


Originally Posted by Toccata (Post 213781)
Here in Melvisville, it's been humorous, and kinda sad, over the years to watch the church buses getting loaded up during elections in certain sections of the city, PA systems blaring, herding the sheep to the vote. Most, if not all, not having the slightest idea of any of the issues, or candidates positions.

We'd sit back, shake our heads, and self-righteously think to ourselves "no wonder all the problems exist in that community..."

Based on our voter turnout, and some of the reports here - I'm guessing half the voters had not read the documents.

But, the buses showed up on schedule, instructions were given, votes were cast, glasses of sweet ice tea handed out......

No question that apathy is bad. Ignorant voters - I wish we were above that level. I truly hope we don't hear any "I didn't know that!" "How can they do that!" type comments from any who voted yes.

The founding fathers did have some good ideas for voting that never materialized.

Thanks for bringing this up. The thought had crossed my mind to write about this but I refrained. The same principle happens during every presidential election. I read a recent article talking about how politicians target certain demographics only a few weeks before the election. This saves money and since most of these people are uneducated and poor they are easily swayed by a campaign barrage just prior to voting. Just throw them a bone like a 20 cent minimum wage increase or something similar and they can be rounded up and taken to the polls.

It would be nice if people who vote on an issue were informed voters. Unfortunately this is no longer the case. I see this as a flaw in our democracy. It is everyone's right to vote but wouldn't it be nice if they knew all the issues and implications of that vote?

HerkyBird 08-13-2007 01:35 PM

<< I think a few big brothers at the table may be a tad greedy, and maybe some of the family includes some pretty weak sisters ... >>

Excuse me ... but when you want to refer to a weak, sniveling, "the sky is falling" weenie, who can't be bothered to read a proposed LOA for himself because he's too friggin' lazy, then call him what he is. GUTLESS - for sure. SPINELESS - obviously. NUTLESS - in spades. But it's an insult to your union sisters, especially those of us who have been very outspoken on the LOA issue, to call them "weak sisters". We, your union sisters who had to fight just to be accepted in this business, deserve better than that from you, our union brothers. Call them what they are -- WEAK [RICHARDS]. But NOT weak sisters. They can't touch us.

ClutchCargo 08-13-2007 01:44 PM

Nancy, is that you?

HerkyBird 08-13-2007 01:45 PM

It is I, outspoken as ever.


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