Using military cargo a/c at the cargo airlines
08-17-2007, 02:06 PM
#31
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: 744 CA
Posts: 4,772
I have seen some awesome reliability rates. We deployed 16 aircraft to the gulf in 1990..and flew 15 hard lines every day for months and months and months..... Military airframes suffer from NOT used enough itis....meaning when they fly for a day or two..then DONT FOR a week.... well you get the picture.. the more an aircraft flies the better the reliability.... seals dont dry out... etc etc etc....
08-22-2007, 06:38 PM
#32
La Familia Delta
Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: B-717 FO / C-17 AC
Posts: 2,467
Originally Posted by MoosePileit
Thread Hijack for a minute, but I'll keep it saucy...
W/O requoting the af.mil facts- which are bit too black and white/dry in comparing the KC-10 to a C-17. Folks can't jump out of a KC-10, which drove a lot of the C-17 design and funding. I know the guys that got the KC-10 from idea to paper to greenbacks to the line in SAC. BUT....taking the 82nd Abn 1/2 way around the world and watching them shuffle and hop is strategic, even if it's more of a design goal and very occasional deal rather than something we do everyday. Trying to move 18 pallets w/ the same aircraft that does airdrops and short landings suffers in the fuel bill arena.
The KC-10 needs downloading equipment the C-17 or other transporters deliver, at least at the start of an operation/opening a port- if you don't recall, ask about the mid-90's ORI debacle out at Roswell from WRI.
The KC-10 is also a jack of all trades when the ports can handle the distance up to the cargo deck, if the porters are gentle w/ the insides. Over the years it has made up for T-Tail shortages, and the crews have maintained a bit more of the "Gucci" lifestyle than the T-tails.
The C-17 does its 18 pallets down in about 10 minutes in the AOR. I've offloaded 8 vehicles and been airborne in the AOR in under 20 minutes, and I won't tell here to just how fast it really was! Strategic and Tactical Blur, just keeping passing us the gas!
W/O requoting the af.mil facts- which are bit too black and white/dry in comparing the KC-10 to a C-17. Folks can't jump out of a KC-10, which drove a lot of the C-17 design and funding. I know the guys that got the KC-10 from idea to paper to greenbacks to the line in SAC. BUT....taking the 82nd Abn 1/2 way around the world and watching them shuffle and hop is strategic, even if it's more of a design goal and very occasional deal rather than something we do everyday. Trying to move 18 pallets w/ the same aircraft that does airdrops and short landings suffers in the fuel bill arena.
The KC-10 needs downloading equipment the C-17 or other transporters deliver, at least at the start of an operation/opening a port- if you don't recall, ask about the mid-90's ORI debacle out at Roswell from WRI.
The KC-10 is also a jack of all trades when the ports can handle the distance up to the cargo deck, if the porters are gentle w/ the insides. Over the years it has made up for T-Tail shortages, and the crews have maintained a bit more of the "Gucci" lifestyle than the T-tails.
The C-17 does its 18 pallets down in about 10 minutes in the AOR. I've offloaded 8 vehicles and been airborne in the AOR in under 20 minutes, and I won't tell here to just how fast it really was! Strategic and Tactical Blur, just keeping passing us the gas!
1. KC-10
2. 747
3. C-17 (Distant third place)
certifying the c-17 and making it a bc-17 would be fine if they outsourced combat flying to contracters, not just the AMC missions that are currently being contracted out. who knows maybe thats coming in the future?
08-22-2007, 07:02 PM
#33
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: May 2006
Posts: 983
Don't get rid of the TTF...keep buying C-17s!
The KC-10 is really misunderstood by TACC. You try to beg for cargo, but the civilian ACMI carriers have dibs on it. They turn us away. One of our IPs was basically told to shut up and color when inquiring about flying an empty KC-10 on a recent flight back from the AOR.
The KC-10 is really misunderstood by TACC. You try to beg for cargo, but the civilian ACMI carriers have dibs on it. They turn us away. One of our IPs was basically told to shut up and color when inquiring about flying an empty KC-10 on a recent flight back from the AOR.
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