767pilot

I am going to give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that was a rhetorical question. Anyone asking that for real would be too much of an a%^hole for me to waste my time on.

Sideshow Bob

For starters, deep down every pilot group thinks first of themselves, but at the same time we should all also consider what is "fair" and apply whatever "power" we as a group have to ensure that we don't allow management to cannibalize another carrier for their benefit like UPS did Challenge Air. Granted Challenge was non-union and infected with a large number of scabs, but I don't recall the union saying boo about their fate, not that they could have changed a thing. Hell...at UPS we have little real control over anything this company does, witness the abuse of the latest contract and the mountain of grievances along with the apparent malaise of the highly touted re-elected leadership regarding everything other than bringing management pilots on our seniority list. It seems to me we can't as a group even take care of our most junior members, so to expect the IPA leadership to do the "right thing" in the event of a merger strains reality to me.

As for Atlas, it sure seems to me that despite what pudknockers like Fly By Cable say or imply, they are a legitimate stand alone carrier, and that the overwhelming majority would just as soon stay that way. If they want to work here, they'll apply here, right? I don't know what most Atlas folks think about their management or their stability, but I for one aren't in the position to imply that we would be better for them. As I've said before, regarding UPS, best job I've ever had, worst people I've ever worked for. Nonetheless, I vote that Fly By Cable has now surpassed Sky High for pudknocker of the year on this board.

Soyathink

When has intergrating two Airlines together been a good thing???
I'm watching "As the Word Turns" with Astar and ABX I don't want to watch "The Young and the UPSless" right now.

Sideshow Bob

For starters, deep down every pilot group thinks first of themselves, but at the same time we should all also consider what is "fair" and apply whatever "power" we as a group have to ensure that we don't allow management to cannibalize another carrier for their benefit like UPS did Challenge Air. Granted Challenge was non-union and infected with a large number of scabs, but I don't recall the union saying boo about their fate, not that they could have changed a thing. Hell...at UPS we have little real control over anything this company does, witness the abuse of the latest contract and the mountain of grievances along with the apparent malaise of the highly touted re-elected leadership regarding everything other than bringing management pilots on our seniority list. It seems to me we can't as a group even take care of our most junior members, so to expect the IPA leadership to do the "right thing" in the event of a merger strains reality to me.

As for Atlas, it sure seems to me that despite what pudknockers like Fly By Cable say or imply, they are a legitimate stand alone carrier, and that the overwhelming majority would just as soon stay that way. If they want to work here, they'll apply here, right? I don't know what most Atlas folks think about their management or their stability, but I for one aren't in the position to imply that we would be better for them. As I've said before, regarding UPS, best job I've ever had, worst people I've ever worked for. Nonetheless, I vote that Fly By Cable has now surpassed Sky High for pudknocker of the year on this board.

⌐ AV8OR WANNABE

I've amended this statement before and I'll do it again...

"..and the best people I've ever worked WITH."

767pilot

Does that leave it as half good?

767pilot

The leather coat thing is pretty impressive and I can't think of another airline where that would have happened!

newKnow

I second that motion. He's pretty bad.

dojetdriver

Can't forget EMBskillz or 4.0@Riddle either.

bustinmins

Atlas is set to be an ALPA carrier but what does that have to do with the IPA? NOTHING. Why don't you ask the TWA guys what they think about ALPA in their merger with APA.

The last time UPS bought another carrier it was for the airplanes alone. I believe they left the pilots at the acquired carrier - high and dry.

You just have to love the merger rumor mill!