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12-14-2007, 12:24 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
If it really bothers you to the point of distraction, why not leave the industry, and go to work doing something else.
12-14-2007, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by bifff15
Your reply was really insightful.
Q: Who monitored you when you were a "still-wet-behind-the-ears guy"?
A: Some under age 60 guy that's who.
For future reference if you keep it all about age you have a leg to stand on. As soon as you branch out to ANYTHING else your case falls apart. The primary motivation for repealing age 60 was NOT due to it being unfair (and I agree that it is age discrimination). It was, to quote Jerry MacGuire in reference to "SHOW ME THE MONEY".
Q: Who monitored you when you were a "still-wet-behind-the-ears guy"?
A: Some under age 60 guy that's who.
For future reference if you keep it all about age you have a leg to stand on. As soon as you branch out to ANYTHING else your case falls apart. The primary motivation for repealing age 60 was NOT due to it being unfair (and I agree that it is age discrimination). It was, to quote Jerry MacGuire in reference to "SHOW ME THE MONEY".
12-14-2007, 06:43 PM
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A300Dude,
I had promised myself that I'd not get involved in this type of debate, due in large part to the fact that every single pilot is somehow affected by this rule change, and to make matters worse, said affect is directly related to $$. What's more, it pits younger guys against older guys, not just here but at all airlines. At companies that still operate 3-crew jets, old guys from the back seat will now be able to reclaim any seat their overall seniority can hold. For the younger/junior guys at FedEx, UPS, NWA Freight, etc, this is, understandably, a really tough pill to swallow. Then again, for the majority of airlines, with only 2 person cockpits, the issue will be that now guys turning 60 will be able to stay, thereby causing the same problems for their younger and junior guys. However, for those airlines which have eliminated their pension funds, it will allow guys who are close to age 60, some more time to rebuild their savings/retirement funds. For that I'm grateful.
Here at FedEx, and especially on this board, guys tend to only concentrate on over 60 flight engineers returning to a front seat. Lots of very provocative statements have been made about these over-60 guys. What about guys who will be: turning 60 next week; next month; or next year? Are they also to be blamed? For the vast majority of us had nothing at all to do with this law, except for being lucky enough to be employed during its creation. I can understand the frustration of guys when they look and see that it will take longer for them to progress, however, life's like that. At some point, this issue will have to be let go, or guys who hold on to it will be a bunch of very, very unhappy troopers, for the entire rest of their careers. That's why I said in a previous post, that some will possibly need to change professions.
For me personally, I wrestle daily with the decision to either come back to work, when I'm able, or to just retire. As for guys welcoming me back, my friends will and for the rest, I just don't care. If I decide to return, I'll do my job, whatever that is, the best I can, and then enjoy some time off, just like I've always done. If I elect to just retire, I'll be sure to let you guys know so that you can feel a little better knowing that you've just moved up one number.
Again, I really didn't want to post on this issue, and hope again that I can hold my tongue when I read some of the stuff that some of you write. But I've gotta tell you, it's tough.
JJ
I had promised myself that I'd not get involved in this type of debate, due in large part to the fact that every single pilot is somehow affected by this rule change, and to make matters worse, said affect is directly related to $$. What's more, it pits younger guys against older guys, not just here but at all airlines. At companies that still operate 3-crew jets, old guys from the back seat will now be able to reclaim any seat their overall seniority can hold. For the younger/junior guys at FedEx, UPS, NWA Freight, etc, this is, understandably, a really tough pill to swallow. Then again, for the majority of airlines, with only 2 person cockpits, the issue will be that now guys turning 60 will be able to stay, thereby causing the same problems for their younger and junior guys. However, for those airlines which have eliminated their pension funds, it will allow guys who are close to age 60, some more time to rebuild their savings/retirement funds. For that I'm grateful.
Here at FedEx, and especially on this board, guys tend to only concentrate on over 60 flight engineers returning to a front seat. Lots of very provocative statements have been made about these over-60 guys. What about guys who will be: turning 60 next week; next month; or next year? Are they also to be blamed? For the vast majority of us had nothing at all to do with this law, except for being lucky enough to be employed during its creation. I can understand the frustration of guys when they look and see that it will take longer for them to progress, however, life's like that. At some point, this issue will have to be let go, or guys who hold on to it will be a bunch of very, very unhappy troopers, for the entire rest of their careers. That's why I said in a previous post, that some will possibly need to change professions.
For me personally, I wrestle daily with the decision to either come back to work, when I'm able, or to just retire. As for guys welcoming me back, my friends will and for the rest, I just don't care. If I decide to return, I'll do my job, whatever that is, the best I can, and then enjoy some time off, just like I've always done. If I elect to just retire, I'll be sure to let you guys know so that you can feel a little better knowing that you've just moved up one number.
Again, I really didn't want to post on this issue, and hope again that I can hold my tongue when I read some of the stuff that some of you write. But I've gotta tell you, it's tough.
JJ
12-14-2007, 06:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
My question to you guys is: in a couple of years from now, are you still going to be hashing over the same stuff with someone who just turned 60 and has elected to stay in his seat? At what point do we start to try and concentrate on other issues?
12-15-2007, 09:20 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
A300Dude,
I had promised myself that I'd not get involved in this type of debate, due in large part to the fact that every single pilot is somehow affected by this rule change, and to make matters worse, said affect is directly related to $$. What's more, it pits younger guys against older guys, not just here but at all airlines.
...Here at FedEx, and especially on this board, guys tend to only concentrate on over 60 flight engineers returning to a front seat. Lots of very provocative statements have been made about these over-60 guys. What about guys who will be: turning 60 next week; next month; or next year? Are they also to be blamed? For the vast majority of us had nothing at all to do with this law, except for being lucky enough to be employed during its creation. I can understand the frustration of guys when they look and see that it will take longer for them to progress, however, life's like that. At some point, this issue will have to be let go, or guys who hold on to it will be a bunch of very, very unhappy troopers, for the entire rest of their careers. That's why I said in a previous post, that some will possibly need to change professions.
For me personally, I wrestle daily with the decision to either come back to work, when I'm able, or to just retire. As for guys welcoming me back, my friends will and for the rest, I just don't care. If I decide to return, I'll do my job, whatever that is, the best I can, and then enjoy some time off, just like I've always done. If I elect to just retire, I'll be sure to let you guys know so that you can feel a little better knowing that you've just moved up one number.
Again, I really didn't want to post on this issue, and hope again that I can hold my tongue when I read some of the stuff that some of you write. But I've gotta tell you, it's tough.
JJ
I had promised myself that I'd not get involved in this type of debate, due in large part to the fact that every single pilot is somehow affected by this rule change, and to make matters worse, said affect is directly related to $$. What's more, it pits younger guys against older guys, not just here but at all airlines.
...Here at FedEx, and especially on this board, guys tend to only concentrate on over 60 flight engineers returning to a front seat. Lots of very provocative statements have been made about these over-60 guys. What about guys who will be: turning 60 next week; next month; or next year? Are they also to be blamed? For the vast majority of us had nothing at all to do with this law, except for being lucky enough to be employed during its creation. I can understand the frustration of guys when they look and see that it will take longer for them to progress, however, life's like that. At some point, this issue will have to be let go, or guys who hold on to it will be a bunch of very, very unhappy troopers, for the entire rest of their careers. That's why I said in a previous post, that some will possibly need to change professions.
For me personally, I wrestle daily with the decision to either come back to work, when I'm able, or to just retire. As for guys welcoming me back, my friends will and for the rest, I just don't care. If I decide to return, I'll do my job, whatever that is, the best I can, and then enjoy some time off, just like I've always done. If I elect to just retire, I'll be sure to let you guys know so that you can feel a little better knowing that you've just moved up one number.
Again, I really didn't want to post on this issue, and hope again that I can hold my tongue when I read some of the stuff that some of you write. But I've gotta tell you, it's tough.
JJ
Dude out
12-15-2007, 10:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
Again, I really didn't want to post on this issue, and hope again that I can hold my tongue when I read some of the stuff that some of you write. But I've gotta tell you, it's tough.
JJ
JJ
12-15-2007, 10:32 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
..At companies that still operate 3-crew jets, old guys from the back seat will now be able to reclaim any seat their overall seniority can hold....JJ
...just wondering...??
12-15-2007, 10:44 AM
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Originally Posted by DLax85
....just wondering, do you believe there needs to be a vacancy bid for SOs to reclaim their seats or are you of the opinion they can demand that now without a bid?
...just wondering...??
...just wondering...??
Anyway, I took JJ's comment to be in general, not FDX specific.
12-15-2007, 12:13 PM
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D,
I certainly understand the malfeasance expressed toward an AAPAD guy. I didn't think JJ was one of them. Either way, I don't think you'll get the same rise out of him as you would FH. Pedantic and condesending isn't JJ's stlye.
We'll see...
Bueller, Bueller....
I certainly understand the malfeasance expressed toward an AAPAD guy. I didn't think JJ was one of them. Either way, I don't think you'll get the same rise out of him as you would FH. Pedantic and condesending isn't JJ's stlye.
We'll see...
Bueller, Bueller....
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