DW Letter - Part Deux
12-17-2007 | 09:03 AM
#11
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If half of this is correct, DW should be run out of office immediately.
After having him, more or less, threaten one of our guys over FDA questions, then this, and a conversation I had with him where he could have given less than a hoot about anything I had to say, my confidence is him as a leader is shot.
If true, this is unseemly at best.
After having him, more or less, threaten one of our guys over FDA questions, then this, and a conversation I had with him where he could have given less than a hoot about anything I had to say, my confidence is him as a leader is shot.
If true, this is unseemly at best.
12-17-2007 | 09:16 AM
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From: leaning to the left
I'm confused.
Are we angry at out MEC chair because he didn't roll over on the 757 LCA/FLEX issue, when the company realized their lack of foresight?
I am certainly not against these pilots getting passover, if they can hold WB. And, I'm sure no one in the MEC is, either. However, in this situation, new narrow-bodies, it's not possible under our current CBA. That's the way it is. If the company, or FAA, feels its necessary to have these guys. Then, the CBA needs to be amended.
How many grievances have we lost, due to what is written in the CBA? Too many!! Did the company arbitrarily change the CBA to help us out? NO!!! This is one of those moments that, doesn't come along very often, that we have non-jeopardy leverage.
Shut down the 757 program? That's up to the company. I'm sure that our union is willing to make the necessary amendments to the CBA to keep the program going. Is the company willing to actually negotiate? We'll see.
I, for one, am proud of the stance we are taking...And, hope that we use this to full extent possible.
Are we angry at out MEC chair because he didn't roll over on the 757 LCA/FLEX issue, when the company realized their lack of foresight?
I am certainly not against these pilots getting passover, if they can hold WB. And, I'm sure no one in the MEC is, either. However, in this situation, new narrow-bodies, it's not possible under our current CBA. That's the way it is. If the company, or FAA, feels its necessary to have these guys. Then, the CBA needs to be amended.
How many grievances have we lost, due to what is written in the CBA? Too many!! Did the company arbitrarily change the CBA to help us out? NO!!! This is one of those moments that, doesn't come along very often, that we have non-jeopardy leverage.
Shut down the 757 program? That's up to the company. I'm sure that our union is willing to make the necessary amendments to the CBA to keep the program going. Is the company willing to actually negotiate? We'll see.
I, for one, am proud of the stance we are taking...And, hope that we use this to full extent possible.
12-17-2007 | 09:49 AM
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From: FDX Captain
Oh, we have another Karnak here that knows more than the MEC and management...(and probably knows Fred's plans too)
Let the conspiracy theories fly...some of you guys crack me up on how much you know...(because my buddy in the training department had it on good authority from the baby sitter of a manager...LOL)
Let the conspiracy theories fly...some of you guys crack me up on how much you know...(because my buddy in the training department had it on good authority from the baby sitter of a manager...LOL)
12-17-2007 | 09:58 AM
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Speaking of acting as a tool...
12-17-2007 | 10:05 AM
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I'm confused.
Are we angry at out MEC chair because he didn't roll over on the 757 LCA/FLEX issue, when the company realized their lack of foresight?
I am certainly not against these pilots getting passover, if they can hold WB. And, I'm sure no one in the MEC is, either. However, in this situation, new narrow-bodies, it's not possible under our current CBA. That's the way it is. If the company, or FAA, feels its necessary to have these guys. Then, the CBA needs to be amended.
How many grievances have we lost, due to what is written in the CBA? Too many!! Did the company arbitrarily change the CBA to help us out? NO!!! This is one of those moments that, doesn't come along very often, that we have non-jeopardy leverage.
Shut down the 757 program? That's up to the company. I'm sure that our union is willing to make the necessary amendments to the CBA to keep the program going. Is the company willing to actually negotiate? We'll see.
I, for one, am proud of the stance we are taking...And, hope that we use this to full extent possible.
Are we angry at out MEC chair because he didn't roll over on the 757 LCA/FLEX issue, when the company realized their lack of foresight?
I am certainly not against these pilots getting passover, if they can hold WB. And, I'm sure no one in the MEC is, either. However, in this situation, new narrow-bodies, it's not possible under our current CBA. That's the way it is. If the company, or FAA, feels its necessary to have these guys. Then, the CBA needs to be amended.
How many grievances have we lost, due to what is written in the CBA? Too many!! Did the company arbitrarily change the CBA to help us out? NO!!! This is one of those moments that, doesn't come along very often, that we have non-jeopardy leverage.
Shut down the 757 program? That's up to the company. I'm sure that our union is willing to make the necessary amendments to the CBA to keep the program going. Is the company willing to actually negotiate? We'll see.
I, for one, am proud of the stance we are taking...And, hope that we use this to full extent possible.
Last edited by FR8Hauler; 12-17-2007 at 10:11 AM.
12-17-2007 | 10:07 AM
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From: B757 Capt
Did anyone else find this line in our Chairman’s 16 Dec 07 message a real hoot:
Management agreed to incorporate existing and future enhancements to the FDA LOA through the negotiating and implementation process and work ….
How many times were we told by management and our Union during the many ‘slip and slide sales meetings’ that the FDA LOA was the best deal available? Let me count, well I’m all out of fingers and toes!!
Now on Dec 16, we are informed by our MEC Chairman that future enhancements to the FDA LOA are on the horizon.
To paraphrase a popular parental saying: "Any job worth doing half a$$ed, is worth doing over 2 or 3 times."
This cracks me up..
Management agreed to incorporate existing and future enhancements to the FDA LOA through the negotiating and implementation process and work ….
How many times were we told by management and our Union during the many ‘slip and slide sales meetings’ that the FDA LOA was the best deal available? Let me count, well I’m all out of fingers and toes!!
Now on Dec 16, we are informed by our MEC Chairman that future enhancements to the FDA LOA are on the horizon.
To paraphrase a popular parental saying: "Any job worth doing half a$$ed, is worth doing over 2 or 3 times."
This cracks me up..
Last edited by Gooch121; 12-17-2007 at 10:31 AM.
12-17-2007 | 10:07 AM
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From: unskilled laborer
I haven't spoken to anyone in the training dept, or management, or the MEC about this issue. AV8rmike obviously has. But the amount of info otherwise is insufficient to draw a conclusion about anything one way or the other. I read you guys taking a stand - so what are the pieces of info you are using to make your determinations?
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