Top Ten ways to figure out if you are flying with someone over 60
#61
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Yeah, we flew them very shortly after airplanes were made of wood and men were made of steel. A really great jet, if you could fly. It was sort of like the German Air Force's F-104, in that in the first few years of it's going on active duty, the F-100A, with the tiny rudder, killed a lot of guys. The F-104 the Germans flew killed more of their own guys than we did in WWII, but that's just a slight exaggeration.
#62
Yeah, we flew them very shortly after airplanes were made of wood and men were made of steel. A really great jet, if you could fly. It was sort of like the German Air Force's F-104, in that in the first few years of it's going on active duty, the F-100A, with the tiny rudder, killed a lot of guys. The F-104 the Germans flew killed more of their own guys than we did in WWII, but that's just a slight exaggeration.
I think there is a show and tell where I can bring in ancient artifacts....interested?
#63
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I never saw a B-58 fly, but heard all about them, including the fact that they had all sorts of problems with their nuke delivery system. Seems that they carried them inside their centerline fuel tank, and had all sorts of problems with the fuel tank opening, so that they could drop their weapon.
#64
Favorite B-58 Story-
My best man was in recurrent training and found out his partner from another firm was a B-58 pilot. Said they could make 450 KIAS by the end of 12000' rwy if light- pretty good for their day. To which my bud said- Hey, when I was a kid in Chicago, I used to hide under my school desk in grammar school when B-58s flew overhead supersonic for tests- to which the B-58 guy realized how big the age difference in the sim really was- he'd flown some of those tests.
My best man was in recurrent training and found out his partner from another firm was a B-58 pilot. Said they could make 450 KIAS by the end of 12000' rwy if light- pretty good for their day. To which my bud said- Hey, when I was a kid in Chicago, I used to hide under my school desk in grammar school when B-58s flew overhead supersonic for tests- to which the B-58 guy realized how big the age difference in the sim really was- he'd flown some of those tests.
#65
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"Well I guess Ole' Fox here is in good with one of the moderators. My original response to the above drivel was removed like it never happened and I got a demerit for my effort. It was funny and very tame but I seem to have offended the powers that be. So if you don't ever hear from me again tell the world my story."
Yeah Deez the same thing happened to me when old FH went a crying to the mods about something I had written in jest! I guess your never to old the be a tattletale! Also, I guess reporting other posters doesn't require the use of one's "bum" shoulder. That's OK though because I heard something the other day from a trustworthy source that made me when I thought about FH. I only hope it pans out...
Yeah Deez the same thing happened to me when old FH went a crying to the mods about something I had written in jest! I guess your never to old the be a tattletale! Also, I guess reporting other posters doesn't require the use of one's "bum" shoulder. That's OK though because I heard something the other day from a trustworthy source that made me when I thought about FH. I only hope it pans out...
#66
Did you mean "AARP" ?
#67
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I never saw a B-58 fly, but heard all about them, including the fact that they had all sorts of problems with their nuke delivery system. Seems that they carried them inside their centerline fuel tank, and had all sorts of problems with the fuel tank opening, so that they could drop their weapon.
I never saw a B-58 fly, but heard all about them, including the fact that they had all sorts of problems with their nuke delivery system. Seems that they carried them inside their centerline fuel tank, and had all sorts of problems with the fuel tank opening, so that they could drop their weapon.
The last time I saw a Hun fly was at Tyndall AFB. There wasn't a pilot in it either...
#68
As a FAC, I worked a lot of F-100s.. best airplane available in-country. Enough fuel to stick around and a 4 20MM so if one jammed which they occasional did, you still have 3 20MM to hose the bad guys. Also, a lot of the -100s were being flown by "Guard Bums" who had plenty of time in the Hun and knew how to fly it.
The -100s out of Bien Hoa were replaced with A-37s and they could not carry the loads and the 7.62 mini-gun was no 20mm.
As for the -58, I did a cross country to Little Rock when they were there and they droned into the pattern at 350kts for the pitch. I was recently up at Grissom AFB and they have a TB-58 on display. Still an impressive machine.
When deploying to Thailand in the -135, we had a bunch of U-2 drivers on board and one had come out of the B-58 community. LeMay disliked the -58 very much and McNamara wanted to cut the bomber fleet. The -52 was being used in SEAsia and so was the -57 (not as a bomber). The B-66 was flying as the RB and EB-66. That left the -58 with no defender.
Anyway, the -58 driver said he had been part of a program to find a new mission and they turned the center pod into a recce pod for an RB-58. He said there was nothing like doing 500kts down in the dirt and lighting off 4 J-79s in burner.
Finally, an over 60 guy and flying with youngsters.
1) your co-pilot can not name the four Beatles.
2) your Bulova Accutron watch is older than the co-pilot
3) your copilot ask after a polished aluminum P-51 lands "what kind of Piper is that old taildragger?" (and s/he is serious)
4) your copilot has never flown without a flight director
5) your copilot never had a chance to fly the Mighty Tri-motor (B-727)
6) you have more time in simulators doing 6 month checks than your copilot has total time
7) you have more instrument time than your copilot has total time
8) you realize you have lost more money in tax dodges, limited partnerships or equally 'sure bets' to beat the IRS than your copilot will make in his/her first six years
9) your copilot asks you where you got that old beat-up leather Jepp binder
10) your copilot didn't celebrate when the over-60 reg got signed.
The -100s out of Bien Hoa were replaced with A-37s and they could not carry the loads and the 7.62 mini-gun was no 20mm.
As for the -58, I did a cross country to Little Rock when they were there and they droned into the pattern at 350kts for the pitch. I was recently up at Grissom AFB and they have a TB-58 on display. Still an impressive machine.
When deploying to Thailand in the -135, we had a bunch of U-2 drivers on board and one had come out of the B-58 community. LeMay disliked the -58 very much and McNamara wanted to cut the bomber fleet. The -52 was being used in SEAsia and so was the -57 (not as a bomber). The B-66 was flying as the RB and EB-66. That left the -58 with no defender.
Anyway, the -58 driver said he had been part of a program to find a new mission and they turned the center pod into a recce pod for an RB-58. He said there was nothing like doing 500kts down in the dirt and lighting off 4 J-79s in burner.
Finally, an over 60 guy and flying with youngsters.
1) your co-pilot can not name the four Beatles.
2) your Bulova Accutron watch is older than the co-pilot
3) your copilot ask after a polished aluminum P-51 lands "what kind of Piper is that old taildragger?" (and s/he is serious)
4) your copilot has never flown without a flight director
5) your copilot never had a chance to fly the Mighty Tri-motor (B-727)
6) you have more time in simulators doing 6 month checks than your copilot has total time
7) you have more instrument time than your copilot has total time
8) you realize you have lost more money in tax dodges, limited partnerships or equally 'sure bets' to beat the IRS than your copilot will make in his/her first six years
9) your copilot asks you where you got that old beat-up leather Jepp binder
10) your copilot didn't celebrate when the over-60 reg got signed.
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Finally, an over 60 guy and flying with youngsters.
8) you realize you have lost more money in tax dodges, limited partnerships or equally 'sure bets' to beat the IRS than your copilot will make in his/her first six years
10) your copilot didn't celebrate when the over-60 reg got signed....
Finally, an over 60 guy and flying with youngsters.
8) you realize you have lost more money in tax dodges, limited partnerships or equally 'sure bets' to beat the IRS than your copilot will make in his/her first six years
10) your copilot didn't celebrate when the over-60 reg got signed....
Last edited by DLax85; 12-23-2007 at 01:50 PM. Reason: formatting
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