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Old 01-03-2008 | 09:27 AM
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What do mgt. bonuses have to do with the equation? Mgt. personal choose their profession and you, yours. If you want to make the kind of money mgt. does, change your profession. They went where the money is, and they are getting what they went after. It's a career choice and you choose yours.

What do they have to do with the equation?! Quite a bit, I would say. How about PSP? Treat all employees the same (pretty much anyway). If the ship were to go down, the Captain is supposed to be the last one off. If the Company is having problems, everyone should share the pain. But then again, this opinion is from a worker bee mentality!
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Old 01-03-2008 | 09:47 AM
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Nobody said anything about career choices or wanting "to make the kind of money mgt. does." The point is the hypocrisy of management saying that pilots may take a pay cut, while at the same time management receives bonuses...especially when the reason for any potential pay cut is poor management of the crew force! Duh...
Hence, why complain about it. That's the way it is in this business. It's not a hypocrisy, that's the business model. We are on the other side of it. Despite what mgt decides to do, they have their compensation package and pilots have to deal with it. We choose our road, it doesn't matter what they decide to do with our pay. Thats why they get paid so well. That's the way it is and you can't fight it, its a poor argument.
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Old 01-03-2008 | 09:56 AM
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All I know is I have tried to drop R days (with no success) -- so, how overmanned are we?
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Old 01-03-2008 | 10:09 AM
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Hey I heard Fedex is finally getting 747-400.........

No not really but this group is so gullable that they will believe almost anything............
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Old 01-03-2008 | 10:31 AM
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800s, 400s or 200s? Cool! I'd love to fly the whale!

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Old 01-03-2008 | 10:40 AM
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Originally Posted by chicken
Hence, why complain about it. That's the way it is in this business. It's not a hypocrisy, that's the business model. We are on the other side of it. Despite what mgt decides to do, they have their compensation package and pilots have to deal with it. We choose our road, it doesn't matter what they decide to do with our pay. Thats why they get paid so well. That's the way it is and you can't fight it, its a poor argument.
Poor argument? Management agrees, via a contract, to pay a certain minimum a month, but doesn't want to live up to that obligation? I thought FDX pilots have traditionally undervalued their intrinsic worth, but cubicle pilots must really be enslaved by the koolaid.

Do you think that FWS, and the other higher-ups, are slashing their own contract salaries to make the bottom line look nicer? Think again. And yes, that is hypocrisy. Just how does that disparity fit in with PSP?
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Old 01-03-2008 | 11:20 AM
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It's rather hard to compare someone on an annual salary, which, from the outset includes both salary and bonuses, and someone else on an hourly rate. The piloting profession is hourly, while management is always salary. If we fly extra, we get paid more. If we fly less, we get paid less. For salaried folks, their pay stays the same regardless of how many hours or days they work in a week or a month. Their job is to maximize income for the corporation and its shareholders, while our job is to move the freight. Apples and oranges. Personally, I have no problem with those guys getting fat bonuses, because they're doing what their paid to do. If I wanted to be in that career path, I would have chosen it instead of this flying gig. It would, however, be nice if they were to suffer a little financially, if for no other reason, than to show the worker bees that we're all in this together, but alas, that rarely happens in this industry. I seem to recall a very few senior airline executives who took either pay cuts or returned their bonuses, during the bad times. Good for them. I'm sure it made the hourly guys feel slightly better about greasing up and bending over.
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Old 01-03-2008 | 11:30 AM
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Originally Posted by JetJocF14
Hey I heard Fedex is finally getting 747-400.........

No not really but this group is so gullable that they will believe almost anything............
Is it going to SHV?
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Old 01-03-2008 | 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by Jetjok
It's rather hard to compare someone on an annual salary, which, from the outset includes both salary and bonuses, and someone else on an hourly rate. The piloting profession is hourly, while management is always salary. If we fly extra, we get paid more. If we fly less, we get paid less. For salaried folks, their pay stays the same regardless of how many hours or days they work in a week or a month. Their job is to maximize income for the corporation and its shareholders, while our job is to move the freight. Apples and oranges. Personally, I have no problem with those guys getting fat bonuses, because they're doing what their paid to do. If I wanted to be in that career path, I would have chosen it instead of this flying gig. It would, however, be nice if they were to suffer a little financially, if for no other reason, than to show the worker bees that we're all in this together, but alas, that rarely happens in this industry. I seem to recall a very few senior airline executives who took either pay cuts or returned their bonuses, during the bad times. Good for them. I'm sure it made the hourly guys feel slightly better about greasing up and bending over.
We, on the other hand, get to do that for the APAAD guys and our own MEC too.

So we've got that going for us.
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Old 01-03-2008 | 12:21 PM
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Originally Posted by Bohica
"I'm sure it made the hourly guys feel slightly better about greasing up and bending over..."


We, on the other hand, get to do that for the APAAD guys and our own MEC too.

So we've got that going for us.
Piped right in on cue.

Bohica...dude...what's up (so to speak) with all the pooper-scooper comments? Is this one of those deals Freud would salivate over? Did this just pop into your mind after eating some rump roast for lunch? Keister-basa maybe? Long ride home from Subic City? Even your screen name's short for repeated a-nal plundering, so it's no surprise you didn't let this one uh, slide.

Probably just coincidence. Great point, though!
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