FDX-contract improvements next negotiations
03-28-2008, 04:50 AM
#201
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Position: Captain
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Originally Posted by Busboy
My calculations are simple. They're based on no movement:
A "stuck" 6yr widebody F/O's rate at DOS and his rate as a 10yr widebody F/O at the amendable date.
And, a 15yr widebody captain rate at DOS and 19yr rate at amendable date.(In other words...No longevity raises for the capt)
The F/O, with no movement, will gain approx. $5,000/yr in raises more, than the capt will gain.
A "stuck" 6yr widebody F/O's rate at DOS and his rate as a 10yr widebody F/O at the amendable date.
And, a 15yr widebody captain rate at DOS and 19yr rate at amendable date.(In other words...No longevity raises for the capt)
The F/O, with no movement, will gain approx. $5,000/yr in raises more, than the capt will gain.
03-28-2008, 05:57 AM
#202
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Joined APC: Jan 2007
Position: 777
Posts: 866
Originally Posted by fedupbusdriver
Why don't we give raises to everyone whose last name begins with A-L.
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Works for me. I'm in that group...how much will I get at the expense of the "lower" alphabet?
Just got back from 8 days in Jamaica! Just wanted to rub that in
03-28-2008, 07:06 AM
#204
Line Holder
Joined APC: Aug 2006
Position: A300 F/O
Posts: 49
[QUOTE=Busboy;349868]I just want to be sure I'm not being misunderstood...I'm not advocating raises for just captains.
I'm no economist. But, I do believe that blanket, overall % raises, provide more income, for more years, for more pilots. Than, raises targeted at a select group, that will only be in that position temporarily. Albeit, for a longer period than wanted.
I haven't done the math, but it seems our pay rates are not linear. How about we first negotiate a large hourly rate increase for Capts., and then negotiate and establish a standard percentage of Capt. pay for FO's? I.e., an FO will get 75% or 80% of the Capt. rate for the same equipment and years of employment. Same method for SO's. Once the FO and SO percentages are established, future negotiations will only deal w/ Capt. rates and everyone gets the same raise. Isn't this standard procedure for the industry?
I'm no economist. But, I do believe that blanket, overall % raises, provide more income, for more years, for more pilots. Than, raises targeted at a select group, that will only be in that position temporarily. Albeit, for a longer period than wanted.
I haven't done the math, but it seems our pay rates are not linear. How about we first negotiate a large hourly rate increase for Capts., and then negotiate and establish a standard percentage of Capt. pay for FO's? I.e., an FO will get 75% or 80% of the Capt. rate for the same equipment and years of employment. Same method for SO's. Once the FO and SO percentages are established, future negotiations will only deal w/ Capt. rates and everyone gets the same raise. Isn't this standard procedure for the industry?
03-28-2008, 08:19 AM
#205
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Zeppelin Tail Gunner
Posts: 1,530
Originally Posted by cvilltn
[QUOTE=Busboy;349868]I just want to be sure I'm not being misunderstood...I'm not advocating raises for just captains.
I'm no economist. But, I do believe that blanket, overall % raises, provide more income, for more years, for more pilots. Than, raises targeted at a select group, that will only be in that position temporarily. Albeit, for a longer period than wanted.
I haven't done the math, but it seems our pay rates are not linear. How about we first negotiate a large hourly rate increase for Capts., and then negotiate and establish a standard percentage of Capt. pay for FO's? I.e., an FO will get 75% or 80% of the Capt. rate for the same equipment and years of employment. Same method for SO's. Once the FO and SO percentages are established, future negotiations will only deal w/ Capt. rates and everyone gets the same raise. Isn't this standard procedure for the industry?
I'm no economist. But, I do believe that blanket, overall % raises, provide more income, for more years, for more pilots. Than, raises targeted at a select group, that will only be in that position temporarily. Albeit, for a longer period than wanted.
I haven't done the math, but it seems our pay rates are not linear. How about we first negotiate a large hourly rate increase for Capts., and then negotiate and establish a standard percentage of Capt. pay for FO's? I.e., an FO will get 75% or 80% of the Capt. rate for the same equipment and years of employment. Same method for SO's. Once the FO and SO percentages are established, future negotiations will only deal w/ Capt. rates and everyone gets the same raise. Isn't this standard procedure for the industry?
03-28-2008, 09:00 AM
#206
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Joined APC: Feb 2006
Posts: 1,068
Originally Posted by AerisArmis
I can't believe Boobie Lightpurple is sitting on the sidelines re: this subject. Refreshing, yes, but I still can't believe it.
03-28-2008, 12:41 PM
#208
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Position: 777 Capt
Posts: 403
Originally Posted by Daniel Larusso
Geez as long you're tempting fate, why don't you just say Candyman three times into the mirror?
03-28-2008, 12:59 PM
#209
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Posts: 1,068
Originally Posted by hyperone
Haven't seen that movie, but is anything like saying, "Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice, Beetlejuice"?
Close but a little more campy, you had to ask didn't you?
03-28-2008, 01:04 PM
#210
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Position: MD-11 Captain
Posts: 1,395
Originally Posted by AerisArmis
I can't believe Boobie Lightpurple is sitting on the sidelines re: this subject. Refreshing, yes, but I still can't believe it.
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