Originally Posted by de727ups

There are Gojet pilots at UPS. I don't believe management cares. What cracks do you speak of? Do Fedex pilots have complete control over who gets hired?

Originally Posted by CloudSailor

Just to clarify.

Even though the original pilots at Freedom were eventually re-integrated into the Mesa seniority list, they were still the ones who gave Jonathan Ornstein the tools to destroy Mesa's CBA and intimidate the pilot group with the choice of:
vote for a highly concessionary, backwards contract, with the worst work rules in the industry, or lose your job...

The original pilots at Freedom went there to gain seniority, to undermine the CBA, to help Ornstein build his 'regional empire' and to allow the work and effort of thousands of pilots over the years, who had built the company to where it was, to be destroyed and flushed down the toilet.

Even though I love my job, enjoy the environment I work in, work on forgiveness daily, and don't hold personal grudges against anyone... I still have a professional responsibility to myself and to my colleagues, to not let these type of pilots contribute to the decay of our career.

I have forwarded the original, pre-ALPA, Freedom list to my current carrier's pilot hiring department and also personally handed it to several of the Captains I've flown with who conduct interviews, as well as FO's who I know are involved in the interview process. I hope the same thing is done at FDX, and other carriers as well.

Originally Posted by md11phlyer

When you speak of pilots having absolute control over who gets hired then, yes, pilots do. Our management pilots, for the most part, are union members, are part of our pilot group, and determine who gets hired.



I still carry my 'Freedom Fighters' list that I used to kick two scumbags off the jumpseat at my last airline. I don't have control over who rides now, but I still monitor.

Originally Posted by de727ups

"When you speak of pilots having absolute control over who gets hired then, yes, pilots do"

Well, guess you got some cracks to take care of.....

"I don't have control over who rides now, but I still monitor."

Really? Why is that? Did Fedex pilots give up Capts authority over the jumpseat? I thought that was just UPS...

Originally Posted by md11phlyer

Being an ex-regional guy, I still keep up with current events in the regional airline industry. I've heard rumors that during the last hiring phase we hired pilot(s) from GoJet airlines. For those that are unfamiliar, G7 was an alter-ego UNION BUSTING tactic used by Trans States Holdings to undercut our ALPA brothers at Trans States Airlines.

Originally Posted by Whistlin' Dan

Just curious...which regional did you work for?

Surely not one of those that was used to "undercut your ALPA brothers" at a legacy carrier?

Originally Posted by md11phlyer

, how did these guys slip through the cracks of our entirely 'pilot' hiring board?