GoJet Pilots at FedEx?
03-05-2008 | 09:13 AM
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ere's an update regranding GoJets issued by the US Airways MEC:
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MEC code-a-phone correction
Yesterday's MEC Code-a-Phone included an item on available pilot positions at GoJets. It is necessary to inform you that GoJets is an “alter ego” airline created by Trans States Airlines Holdings, which also operates Trans States Airlines (a US Airways affiliate and Jets for Jobs carrier). GoJets was created to avoid union representation, with the intention of denying the ALPA pilots at Trans States the right to fly the 70-seat aircraft at GoJets , and to dodge compliance with the terms and conditions of the collective bargaining agreement between the Trans States pilots and their management. The Trans States pilots are still battling their management to obtain the GoJets flying under their ALPA CBA. In addition to establishing an alter ego carrier, Trans States management has also engaged in a disturbing and reprehensible pattern of contract noncompliance and led a personal campaign against union representatives, wrongfully terminating two pilots and a flight attendant.
We apologize to the Trans States pilots for any harm that was caused by erroneously announcing the availability of pilot jobs at GoJets. We strongly support the Trans States pilots and understand the threat that GoJets represents to their careers. All pilots should know that the US Airways MEC does not condone accepting employment at GoJets.
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MEC code-a-phone correction
Yesterday's MEC Code-a-Phone included an item on available pilot positions at GoJets. It is necessary to inform you that GoJets is an “alter ego” airline created by Trans States Airlines Holdings, which also operates Trans States Airlines (a US Airways affiliate and Jets for Jobs carrier). GoJets was created to avoid union representation, with the intention of denying the ALPA pilots at Trans States the right to fly the 70-seat aircraft at GoJets , and to dodge compliance with the terms and conditions of the collective bargaining agreement between the Trans States pilots and their management. The Trans States pilots are still battling their management to obtain the GoJets flying under their ALPA CBA. In addition to establishing an alter ego carrier, Trans States management has also engaged in a disturbing and reprehensible pattern of contract noncompliance and led a personal campaign against union representatives, wrongfully terminating two pilots and a flight attendant.
We apologize to the Trans States pilots for any harm that was caused by erroneously announcing the availability of pilot jobs at GoJets. We strongly support the Trans States pilots and understand the threat that GoJets represents to their careers. All pilots should know that the US Airways MEC does not condone accepting employment at GoJets.
How do figure ALPA does not have a problem with Gojet?
03-05-2008 | 09:15 AM
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03-05-2008 | 09:47 AM
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"almost everybody who comes into this business does so by working cheaper than the guy ahead of him"May be. But I don't know many people who started at the top in this or any other business. In the beginning, they all sacrifice money and QOL to get experience. Hopefully, that experience then puts them in a position to negotiate more money from their next employer. It's an unfortunate set of circumstances, but I don't see how the guys at GoJet are any different. (I see they've voted in the Teamsters. You have to give them some credit for that)
How many pilots has FedEx hired straight out of college? How many gladly took an initial pay cut from their previous carriers to work there?
Yup...and as soon as one fails, another springs up in it's place, usually backed by the same investors and run by the same clowns as the previous one. Same cast of characters all around, except the pilots are all at "year one" pay instead of "year five" pay. A rather large price to pay for a new hat, don't you think?
I wouldn't call 3-5 years spent at a regional airline a "free pass." It's more like "paying your dues" And what exactly IS "the right thing?" Surely not sitting before an airline hiring board, explaining that the reason you only have only 250 hours total time is because you refuse to work for a "McAirline" at what some other guy considers "sub-standard" wages.
How many pilots has FedEx hired straight out of college? How many gladly took an initial pay cut from their previous carriers to work there?
If people avoid Gojet because of poor working conditions AND a diminished chance of career progression Gojet will, eventually, change their ways or go out of business.
So, in short, we should put down the law and guide the newer pilots as best we can. If they squeeze their way in during a period of rapid hiring, so be it. But I would not give them a free pass. We should reward those who do the right thing.
03-05-2008 | 12:32 PM
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03-05-2008 | 01:08 PM
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There are Gojet pilots at UPS. I don't believe management cares. What cracks do you speak of? Do Fedex pilots have complete control over who gets hired?
I once had a UPS Capt email me about what I knew about Gojet cause his son wanted to work there. I told him what I thought about it based on what I know from the net. He proceeded to tell me I was full of crap cause only whiners and complainers post at aviation web sites. Then I told him if he felt that way then it was dumb to ask a moderator at an aviation website what my opinion was in the first place....
I'm sure his son is at Gojet as we speak and will have an inside track at UPS in a few years.
I once had a UPS Capt email me about what I knew about Gojet cause his son wanted to work there. I told him what I thought about it based on what I know from the net. He proceeded to tell me I was full of crap cause only whiners and complainers post at aviation web sites. Then I told him if he felt that way then it was dumb to ask a moderator at an aviation website what my opinion was in the first place....
I'm sure his son is at Gojet as we speak and will have an inside track at UPS in a few years.
03-05-2008 | 01:11 PM
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Being an outsider, IMO, that is one of ALPA's blinders then. Remember how poorly ALPA represented themselves at COEX in 1993. Babbit stated they did not care if new hires would have to pay for new hire training. That lost the confidence of every commuter pilot in the audience.
03-05-2008 | 01:23 PM
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Alpa
Instead, all it shows - once again - is that ALPA truly does not care about their own - especially when it comes to smaller, more vulnerable airlines.
The entire airline industry needs a de-Baathification, or de-ALPAfication process - USairways pilots just started their battle - I wish them well.
Just my worthless 1/2¢ on the subject...
03-05-2008 | 01:34 PM
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ALPA national has no problem with GoJet. Oh, where to start.... I'll try to break it down a bit.
ALPA national cannot legally have a problem with GoJet. That much is mostly true.
1. ALPA national, had a few lawsuits against GoJet that were ruled for GoJet, and against ALPA. They included ALPA filing a suit claiming that GoJet & TSA, since managed and owned by TSA holdings. This was similar to ALPA's suit claiming Mesa & Freedom were a "common carrier."
If you have the chance, the ruling is quite comical. Saying that since GoJet & TSA had separate web pages and the two companies employees were issued separately coded key cards (even though they opened the same door!) In the previous suit against Freedom & Mesa, ALPA won that one, but since the judge noted that in that case, they had the same website and were in the same office, they were one in the same, but TSA has a slick lawyer, and argued that those precedents were not at GoJet/TSA.
2. ALPA sued saying that GoJet's Teamster organization was illegal and premature. Again, overturned. Notice GoJet is organized by Teamsters local 636, a STL truck driver union, and NOT by the national 747 airline division. (There is a reason for that.)
3. ALPA national put one FINAL proposal from TSA management to the TSA pilots that would have brought that flying back. TSA pilots rejected that LOA. (The reason? It would extend the bottom feeder contract they currently had by 4 more years, GoJet would continue to hire pilots off the street, and TSA would still be able to continue to furlough senior turboprop captains. Would you have signed this?)
So to sum it up, yes. ALPA national no longer has any 'problems' with GoJet. LEGALLY they cannot.
ALPA national cannot legally have a problem with GoJet. That much is mostly true.
1. ALPA national, had a few lawsuits against GoJet that were ruled for GoJet, and against ALPA. They included ALPA filing a suit claiming that GoJet & TSA, since managed and owned by TSA holdings. This was similar to ALPA's suit claiming Mesa & Freedom were a "common carrier."
If you have the chance, the ruling is quite comical. Saying that since GoJet & TSA had separate web pages and the two companies employees were issued separately coded key cards (even though they opened the same door!) In the previous suit against Freedom & Mesa, ALPA won that one, but since the judge noted that in that case, they had the same website and were in the same office, they were one in the same, but TSA has a slick lawyer, and argued that those precedents were not at GoJet/TSA.
2. ALPA sued saying that GoJet's Teamster organization was illegal and premature. Again, overturned. Notice GoJet is organized by Teamsters local 636, a STL truck driver union, and NOT by the national 747 airline division. (There is a reason for that.)
3. ALPA national put one FINAL proposal from TSA management to the TSA pilots that would have brought that flying back. TSA pilots rejected that LOA. (The reason? It would extend the bottom feeder contract they currently had by 4 more years, GoJet would continue to hire pilots off the street, and TSA would still be able to continue to furlough senior turboprop captains. Would you have signed this?)
So to sum it up, yes. ALPA national no longer has any 'problems' with GoJet. LEGALLY they cannot.
03-05-2008 | 01:46 PM
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However, I still think ALPA is not good for pilots in general, especially at smaller airlines... Just my opinion...
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