I submitted (or almost submitted) a d/h deviation and saw this caution for the first time:

! C A U T I O N !
This CAUTION is provided to advise you of possible difficulties that you may encounter when deviating.

If you deviate on any leg of any type of a deadhead sequence (Front-end, Mid-trip or Back-end), all legs of the same deadhead sequence will be cancelled (including deadheads with an intermediate layover). Thus, once you deviate on any leg of a deadhead sequence, you will have to re-book your entire travel plan for that commercial travel sequence.

When you re-book your commercial travel, the leg(s) that you did not desire to deviate from (and did not check) must be re-booked. Be advised, the flight may may not be available, the class of service may not be available, and the ticket price may change considerably.

If you are unable to re-book on the legs on which you did not originally deviate, please return to VIPS and deviate on those legs that you were not able to re-book. It is important that VIPS reflects which legs you are actually travelling on for both system reliability and emergency contact information.

By acknowledging this notification you are accepting this responsibility.

I've never seen this before ...is it new or did I just enter the magic formula.
I selected the whole front end, which has a d/h + layover + another d/h. On the back end I didn't deviate on the first leg, but did on the second.
I've already booked my back-end deviation, which includes the originally scheduled first leg of d/h. Are they going to cancel both legs of my ticket if I elect to deviate only on the second leg of that d/h?
And isn't it "canceled"

 

Oh Man, You've gone and done it now!!!!!!

Head for the hills!!!!!!

Every man for himself!!!!!

Sorry, I couldn't help it. It does sound like you are about to get screwed though.

 

To me it sounds like the company is playing CYA since FOX changed all the old ways of deviating.

 

I think this is the way it's always been.

What I do is call Global before I deviate in VIPS. Get your flights set with Global, then deviate in VIPS. That way, if there is a snag in either seat availability or class of service, you can decide then and there whether you still wish to deviate without incurring the loss of the original flights.

 

I agree your system works. But this is a fall out of fox and they way they are pinching nickles on accepted fares. You can't rebook for anything close to the accepted fare and neither can the company. But at least now it comes out of your deviation bank.

 

Not only is it impossible for YOU nor the company to re-book the flight at the "accepted fare" rates.....

the company can't even book in the first place at the "accepted fare" rates.

the airlines are raising rates so fast that less than a week after the "accepted fares" for April and the Bidpacks were published - many of the just published "accepted fares" were already not available - and the tickets that the company had to purchase after the bids were awarded had to be purchased at a higher price.

this is not a problem for the company because they only have to pay the higher price if you actually use that scheduled ticket (ie. don't deviate)

if you deviate - even if you try to re-book the "scheduled flight" right after your schedule is awarded - YOU LOSE - 'cause the fares have gone up - and the company now refuses to adjust your deviation bank accordingly

the deviator gets the lower (obsolete) "accepted fare" to work with even though the company could never buy the scheduled ticket for the published "accepted fare"

it's toal BS.

 

Don't get me wrong. I'm a commuter and I'm very aware of low accepted fares...But, Why are you trying to "re-book the "scheduled flight" right after your schedule is awarded" ?

If you are trying to book one leg as a deviant and catch the next leg "as scheduled", it's 2 different tickets. As, they have to book them as point to point tickets. If you are trying to book it as one ticket, with a "through flight" that includes the scheduled D/H, then of course the fare is going to be different.

 

I guess he could answer that there are limited number of fares at $YYY on many of our flights. In theory, right after the schedule is awarded, that fare on that segment should be available. Many times it is not.

My point, through this caution the company is trying to manufacture a history of accepted fare is what you get when you deviate. Since all other historic data (pre-fox) documents the "deviant" got the higher of accepted fare or scheduled ticket.

 

you're ass-u-me-ing that the original scheduled ticket was/is ONE ticket booked as a through ticket - not always true to/from ANC (esp. on RFO trips)

example - last few months there's been a lot of DH-ANC-ORD - layover - DH-ORD-PVG for RFO to be in place for PVG-ANC leg.

the ANC-ORD scheduled DH is on Alaska Airlines (one ticket/one price)

the ORD-PVG scheduled DH is on American Airlines (different/separate ticket)

let's say the deviator wants to travel from home (in the lower 48) to ORD - deviating - and then take the SCHEDULED DH ticket from ORD-PVG.

the "new caution" that started this thread states that if you deviate on ONE leg, then FOX automatically cancels ALL legs, and you have to re-book ALL legs.

so.....right after you're awarded the trip, you deviate, ALL legs are canceled and you have to re-book the ORD-PVG leg - (same day, same flight #, same class of service as the original scheduled leg)

only now it's almost 2 weeks since the "accepted fares" have been published and American has raised it's price for that same day/same flight#/same class ticket by, say, $300.00 (over the 2-week-old published "accepted fare" price.)

Now, as the deviator, you just ate that $300.00 because the company won't raise the "accepted fare" (deviation bank) to match the fare increase - EVEN THOUGH - by the time the trip was awarded to you and the company booked the ticket, it would have cost them the extra $300.00 too for the ORD-PVG on American leg also (they couldn't even get the "accepted fare" by the time the trip was awarded.)

capish?

lot's of "stand-alone" legs of multiple leg DH's in ANC (especially for RFOs) that are booked on different airlines with intervening layovers.

I thought "O" had said a long time ago that he was working to "fix" all this??? where you could, once again, cancel individual legs of a multi-leg DH???

And didn't Jack L. say that it was good if you "caught up" to the scheduled DH for crew integrity purposes, etc.??

like I said.....it's all total BS.....

 

I "capish" what you're saying. Didn't realize you were talking about an intervening layover.

With that in mind, do they also cancel your hotel for the layover? Do they cancel the transportation outbound from the hotel? Something smells fishy, here.

I find it hard to believe that just because you deviate for the 1st day's D/H's, they will also cancel D/H's after a layover. Has this actually happened to you? If so, did you personally contact someone about it?

That is BS.

I thought the company's intent(I'm starting to hate that word), was to cancel all the scheduled through flights, not multiple day's flights.

If it has actually happened to you. You need to contact some folks and let us know the outcome.