stinsonjr

Does UPS have disputed pairings? The FedEx guys are always up in arms about them, but UPS guys do not seem to be. Does UPS have no horrible trip pairs, or do the UPS pilots just not complain about them? Does UPS have anything like disputed pairings that irritates the group as a whole? Just wondering - thank you.

dudewannabe

what's a disputed pairing?

bifff15

Who's on first?

hotelmode

It's a pairing that, although legal, is considered to be dangerous as far as rest and fatigue are concerned.

767pilot

Yes we do, we just use a different term. We call them "bid packages"

Shaggy1970

LMAO!!! Every line in ANC is is a disputed pairing!

bifff15

Well done!

767pilot

even in CGN, I still got it!

stinsonjr

Funniest thing I have read on APC! Well done indeed.

Seriously, do the UPS guys have things that chap them, or are the FedEx guys just whiners?

From the sounds of it, picking up open time seems to be a little of an issue, but not nearly as hostile a deal as the FedEx guys with their DP's.

Ultimately, the point of this is to get to any great cultural differences between the two carriers - everyone lumps them together as dream jobs (rightly so), but I was mostly trying to exam differences between the two. Culture, pilot attitudes, relationship with management, etc.

Both are exceptional opportunities - just trying to understand better.

viktorbravo

767 Pilot is correct. We have some pretty ugly stuff, and there is no such animal as a disputed pairing in our contract, so we pretty much have to grin and bear it. In the past what has happened with some of the very worst pairings is that guys would call in fatigued often enough that the company would change them around, or sometimes just shift them to another domicile to see if anyone noticed. Ultimately, the boxes not moving gets the company's attention. OTOH, there are plenty of folks willing to "tough it out" even when they are babbling incoherently and bleeding out of their eyeballs.

I dont think the FDX guys are "whiners." Actually it would tweak me pretty badly if we had used negotiating capital to get such a thing as "disputed pairings" and they were getting picked up out of OT faster than a weekend HNL layover, so I understand the frustration. The company comes back to them and says, "well if this DP is so bad, why does it only last 30 seconds on the OT list? You guys must just be whining about nothing." Then the pairing becomes "undisputed" and the schedules spiral down the toilet. Unfortunately the negotiators should have seen that coming. Trying to get guys to not pick up OT, any OT (disputed or not) that is allowed in the contract is futile. Its just the way it is.