Huck

I cannot believe some Fedex auditor is not jumping on the following: why did we let these guys accumulate on the panel in the first place? It was obvious for several years before Age 65 that guys were parking there waiting. Who decided not to require slots to be open for them to fill?

In these days of woe I CANNOT believe someone is not being held accountable for this.

VBone

Why not cancel 08-01 bid? Why are we training over 60 guys to excess under 60 guys? Isn't that the reason 07-03 was cancelled?

AerisArmis

Shack lead!

HIFLYR

Very True! On a positive side it seems the standard has been set that we make room for all crewmembers so no furlough.

I had several MEC people tell me the rule would not have the retro provision so do not worry. Then it changed to well it will only be a slight slow down in advancement. Can't wait to hear want the next quote will be.

I believe that the MEC and block reps that voted against their blocks wishes on age 60 are no better than DP fliers. They have the same mentality "we know best" to H*** with what you think or want. I believe for our ALPA's MEC representation to work the block Reps should represent and vote their blocks wishes. This forces give and take from all the blocks. Instead we have the "From on High" form of representation. In this type DW speaks and it is so. I know, I know they disagree in private but for the sake of unity support the majority or they are just doing the right thing and their poor undereducated block members just do not understand.
Sadly after the age 60 change, the highly polished, force fed turd LOA and hidden pairing side letter, I simply to not trust my own MEC or block leaders. Except Albie and he is not even my block rep.

gderek

Shack! I couldn't agree more. And the vast majority in my position agree. I had a bud tell me the other day that he'd buy dinner for FS before buying for DW. I'm sure those that were here in the Red Letter days would find that appalling but that's seems to be the general feeling among junior folks.

Gunter

When we have guys in training, over or under 60, we are effectively hiding bodies.

As much as the company says they want to save money, they don't seem to care how much training costs compared to "early" retirement packages.

I can only assume flexes and LCAs get paid their premium whether they have a student or not. With our manning, Flexes don't need to help out flying the line. So why not give them some students?

hfbpilot

It's not just the junior guys I am in the close to the middle of the pack and most of my senior friends fell like we do.

Dadof6

Spot on--I think that explains the quote about using schoolhouse assets and capacity more efficiently. Also, the true reason why reserve folks can look forward (?) to flying support for sim checks/training.

BOYCAPTAIN

they seem to have accumulated because of the rule change...fdx management was briefed that the rule had at least 2-3 years before congress would pass the bill...we had almost 300 retirements planned within the next 2 years!....they sort of got blindsided and now are stuck with all these crewmembers...

MAWK90

IMHO this is the logic.....you could pay a 63 year old $150,000 in retirement and get zero utilization out of him, or train him and get two years utilization for only an additional $90,000. Even if he sicks out, or uses VAC to the max, he the company only effectively spent $90K on him.