FDX - Block over 8
04-19-2008, 07:20 PM
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FDX - Block over 8
Can someone explain the pay for a trip with two legs over eight hours?
Lets start with a simple example: An awarded trip scheduled to pay 33 hours, first leg 8+35 scheduled and actual, last leg 9+55 scheduled and actual. The first and last legs were single shots with no quick turns. What will this trip pay?
(If I am reading the old and new contracts correctly this trip's actual pay would be 35+30 hours. I know this is an old issue for most, but I'm still trying to get my brain around this as it is now directly affecting me.)
Lets start with a simple example: An awarded trip scheduled to pay 33 hours, first leg 8+35 scheduled and actual, last leg 9+55 scheduled and actual. The first and last legs were single shots with no quick turns. What will this trip pay?
(If I am reading the old and new contracts correctly this trip's actual pay would be 35+30 hours. I know this is an old issue for most, but I'm still trying to get my brain around this as it is now directly affecting me.)
04-19-2008, 11:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Wild Bill
Can someone explain the pay for a trip with two legs over eight hours?
Lets start with a simple example: An awarded trip scheduled to pay 33 hours, first leg 8+35 scheduled and actual, last leg 9+55 scheduled and actual. The first and last legs were single shots with no quick turns. What will this trip pay?
(If I am reading the old and new contracts correctly this trip's actual pay would be 35+30 hours. I know this is an old issue for most, but I'm still trying to get my brain around this as it is now directly affecting me.)
Lets start with a simple example: An awarded trip scheduled to pay 33 hours, first leg 8+35 scheduled and actual, last leg 9+55 scheduled and actual. The first and last legs were single shots with no quick turns. What will this trip pay?
(If I am reading the old and new contracts correctly this trip's actual pay would be 35+30 hours. I know this is an old issue for most, but I'm still trying to get my brain around this as it is now directly affecting me.)
First, you need to determine how your trip guarantee is calculated. If you are on a T trip (the T after the CH in the bidpack pairing) that is the first clue you may be due block recapture. In this case any leg over 10 hours already has the block over 10 included in the trip guarantee. If you have a TAFB trip and you also have a leg over 10 you can do the math, TAFB/3.75 + block over 10 and that will be the trip guarantee. It should be noted that it does not matter if it is 1 or more legs, it is block in a single duty period. Now any leg on this trip you fly over 8 should be paid after the trip is done. In this example let's say you have 2 legs over 8, when you get back to base, the total block over 8 will be added to your trip pay.
If you have followed the recent grievance on block over 8 here is a quick recap: The rub comes when you have a block over 10, CDG-SFS for example. Say you have only 1 block over 8 on this trip and it is a TAFB trip. Your trip guarantee will include all of the scheduled block >10. Say the CDG-SFS leg is 12:30 and you actually fly it in 12:00. The assumption is you would get paid 2 hours of block over 8 pay, but the company is lowering that amount by the amount of total block under scheduled, in this case 1:30 is paid. Essentially they are deducting 30 minutes of trip guarantee since the 2:30 is already included. As long as you fly all of the block between 8-10 then you should always get the 2 hours. On legs over 8 but less than 10, you get what you fly and if you fly CDG-SFS in 13:15 you will get 2:45 block over 8 pay.
The CBA definitions are tough to follow and you can spend a long time digging into OSC,SCH and BKO definitions. If you are on a hard time or MPDP trip the block recapture is N/A, but you will be paid for the excess block in those duty periods. There are many domestic trips that pay block in 1 duty period and not the other, most trips more than 6 hours of pay for a 1 day trip has a good chance to fall into this category.
BTW, in your example, provided it is a TAFB trip you will be paid 2:30 in BKO.
04-20-2008, 03:56 AM
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Just flew a 26:35T trip. Two legs went over 8 (but less than 10). I checked the trip after we blocked in the last time and the total credit went up by the amount we went over 8. Ended up with over 28. The math is easy to understand with the T.
04-20-2008, 04:25 PM
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Thanks
Originally Posted by 2cylinderdriver
This could be a very LONG response, but I will try to give you the Cliff notes.
First, you need to determine how your trip guarantee is calculated. If you are on a T trip (the T after the CH in the bidpack pairing) that is the first clue you may be due block recapture. In this case any leg over 10 hours already has the block over 10 included in the trip guarantee. If you have a TAFB trip and you also have a leg over 10 you can do the math, TAFB/3.75 + block over 10 and that will be the trip guarantee. It should be noted that it does not matter if it is 1 or more legs, it is block in a single duty period. Now any leg on this trip you fly over 8 should be paid after the trip is done. In this example let's say you have 2 legs over 8, when you get back to base, the total block over 8 will be added to your trip pay.
If you have followed the recent grievance on block over 8 here is a quick recap: The rub comes when you have a block over 10, CDG-SFS for example. Say you have only 1 block over 8 on this trip and it is a TAFB trip. Your trip guarantee will include all of the scheduled block >10. Say the CDG-SFS leg is 12:30 and you actually fly it in 12:00. The assumption is you would get paid 2 hours of block over 8 pay, but the company is lowering that amount by the amount of total block under scheduled, in this case 1:30 is paid. Essentially they are deducting 30 minutes of trip guarantee since the 2:30 is already included. As long as you fly all of the block between 8-10 then you should always get the 2 hours. On legs over 8 but less than 10, you get what you fly and if you fly CDG-SFS in 13:15 you will get 2:45 block over 8 pay.
The CBA definitions are tough to follow and you can spend a long time digging into OSC,SCH and BKO definitions. If you are on a hard time or MPDP trip the block recapture is N/A, but you will be paid for the excess block in those duty periods. There are many domestic trips that pay block in 1 duty period and not the other, most trips more than 6 hours of pay for a 1 day trip has a good chance to fall into this category.
BTW, in your example, provided it is a TAFB trip you will be paid 2:30 in BKO.
First, you need to determine how your trip guarantee is calculated. If you are on a T trip (the T after the CH in the bidpack pairing) that is the first clue you may be due block recapture. In this case any leg over 10 hours already has the block over 10 included in the trip guarantee. If you have a TAFB trip and you also have a leg over 10 you can do the math, TAFB/3.75 + block over 10 and that will be the trip guarantee. It should be noted that it does not matter if it is 1 or more legs, it is block in a single duty period. Now any leg on this trip you fly over 8 should be paid after the trip is done. In this example let's say you have 2 legs over 8, when you get back to base, the total block over 8 will be added to your trip pay.
If you have followed the recent grievance on block over 8 here is a quick recap: The rub comes when you have a block over 10, CDG-SFS for example. Say you have only 1 block over 8 on this trip and it is a TAFB trip. Your trip guarantee will include all of the scheduled block >10. Say the CDG-SFS leg is 12:30 and you actually fly it in 12:00. The assumption is you would get paid 2 hours of block over 8 pay, but the company is lowering that amount by the amount of total block under scheduled, in this case 1:30 is paid. Essentially they are deducting 30 minutes of trip guarantee since the 2:30 is already included. As long as you fly all of the block between 8-10 then you should always get the 2 hours. On legs over 8 but less than 10, you get what you fly and if you fly CDG-SFS in 13:15 you will get 2:45 block over 8 pay.
The CBA definitions are tough to follow and you can spend a long time digging into OSC,SCH and BKO definitions. If you are on a hard time or MPDP trip the block recapture is N/A, but you will be paid for the excess block in those duty periods. There are many domestic trips that pay block in 1 duty period and not the other, most trips more than 6 hours of pay for a 1 day trip has a good chance to fall into this category.
BTW, in your example, provided it is a TAFB trip you will be paid 2:30 in BKO.
Great explanation, I've been trying to figure this out for a while. Thanks.
04-28-2008, 04:18 AM
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Originally Posted by Wild Bill
Outstanding explaination! You answered some of the more complex questions that I was going to ask next. Thanks.
but I think I have a handle on most pay related issues !
04-28-2008, 04:37 AM
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Originally Posted by SNIZ
2cylinder,
Great explanation, I've been trying to figure this out for a while. Thanks.
Great explanation, I've been trying to figure this out for a while. Thanks.
If we win the grievance do we get retro pay
04-28-2008, 06:04 AM
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Originally Posted by ancreserve
Ditto, I just finished a trip with 2 legs over 10 hours and was wondering why my Pay was coming up 43 minutes short.
If we win the grievance do we get retro pay
If we win the grievance do we get retro pay
haha
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