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Yoda 04-21-2008 05:36 AM

C3PO DLax85 actually is!! :D

Suing the Gov't will I to raise the retirement age to 905!!

Want my window seat back do I!!

Kidding am I....

Master Yoda
Fed-i Sleepless kNight

P.S. Difficult a 9 light trip is when only 3 fingers and two short arms have you... Mmmm??

Gunter 04-21-2008 06:17 AM

It's hard to drink and post. Feeling a little clearer this morning.

Here are some more facts to share.

- If over 64 DC10 SOs go to 727 SO, we will have more than 50 excesses out of the 727 SO seat for folks to voluntarily bid on. Where will 727 SOs choose to go? If they go to 727 FO, it may lead to bumping 727 FOs down. If they go widebody it will be good.

- If a bunch of folks pile into one seat (the Airbus FO seat, for example), there will probably be another excess bid after this one to get the excess over to the MD11 or 727. Again, could push 727 FOs down.

- It depends on the popularity of the 727 FO seat. If folks want to be elsewhere all will be good. Cassel appears to want to plus up the widebody seats and reduce the 727. You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink....

zulu 04-21-2008 08:04 AM


Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 369876)
You can lead a horse to water but you can't make him drink....

Chuck Norris can. Page 4. :D

DLax85 04-21-2008 08:16 AM


Originally Posted by Yoda (Post 369844)
C3PO DLax85 actually is!!...

Master Yoda
Fed-i Sleepless kNight

...Damn, and I always thought I was Hans Solo. :mad::D

Oh well. :)

Albief15 04-21-2008 08:19 AM

No real predictions here, but last bid (cancelled) I moved from about 110 on the list down to 75 in the 727 FO seat...meaning about 35 folks senior to me voluntarily were upgrading. Some of those guys still snuck in under the training cutoff when the last bid was cancelled, so let's guess there are 30 out of the top 100 who wanted to move last time. If that holds true again....I gotta believe there are at least 20 guys between 100-286 that will go ahead and make the move. I don't see nobody losing a window seat in the 727. Again--that's just an educated guess based on what I saw in the last bid.

I will likely bid to excess, which means I'll either move up to a WB, OR sit at about 50 on the FO list. The wrinkle is there are some serious seat campers who enjoy the QOL, and it is hard to imagine a job that requires less pre-flight duty or prep than a 3 seat jet FO. Maybe, just maybe, enough folks will decide they want to continue to wear Bose headsets and ride out the storm on a jet with a shrinking bid pack--especially if the rumors of the South America flying come to fruition. However, I cannot believe there aren't fifty folks ready to do something else. I also can't believe someone who was familiar with the DC-10 jet and could hold an MD11 in MEM in ANC or an A300 in MEM would take a pay cut to go through boeing school (again?). So--I doubt there will be anyone piling in on top of the 727 FO seat pushing folks out the bottom.

Standard disclaimer--been wrong before and will be again....practice bid should give us a few hints on Wednesday.

Gunter 04-21-2008 09:10 AM

Thanks, Albie.

Always good info.

But you need to sell the 727 better to get to the Bus;)

Gunter 04-21-2008 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by zulu (Post 369974)
Chuck Norris can. Page 4. :D

I forgot. Which means Albie can too!

Albief15 04-21-2008 09:59 AM

Top 50 on the 727 is just fine with me too. I'll miss the Valsans, but there should be enough flying left over to find something to make me happy if I stay on the Boeing. For guys who did not upgrade at 100%, excess bids are a chance for a "do over". The guys who suffer the most are the ones who are just hanging on at the bottom of a list somewhere.

There are some DC10 FOs who could hold 727 captain. It will be interesting to see what happens there....

Yoda 04-21-2008 11:21 AM


Originally Posted by DLax85 (Post 369988)
...Damn, and I always thought I was Hans Solo.

Oh well.

Quote the odds of surviving a frontal assault on an Empire Star Destroyer Han Solo could not... C3PO on the other three fingered hand...

Know we all that too cool for USAFA, Han Solo is. ;)

Master Yoda
Fed-i Sleepless kNight

fdxShark 04-21-2008 11:24 AM

I'm a former DC-10 F/O barely holding on to the bottom of the 727 Capt seat. I knew there was a risk of excess in the future. Just didn't think it would have come so soon! :confused:

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