FDX- Accepted Fares
05-04-2008, 02:57 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
The times I've deviated, I've let them buy the scheduled ticket first. Then I've deviated and cancelled that flight once I have an email of the actual fare they paid to get me out of MEM.
When the fare (on the scheduled DH) that they bought has been higher than the accepted, the actual (higher) fare on the purchased ticket I cancelled has gone into my deviation bank.
Usually the accepted and actual match, but when the actual has been higher, they've given it to me in my bank (as long as I let them buy the ticket first). That's probably not the way it's supposed to happen but it's been consistently done that way for me.
When the fare (on the scheduled DH) that they bought has been higher than the accepted, the actual (higher) fare on the purchased ticket I cancelled has gone into my deviation bank.
Usually the accepted and actual match, but when the actual has been higher, they've given it to me in my bank (as long as I let them buy the ticket first). That's probably not the way it's supposed to happen but it's been consistently done that way for me.
05-04-2008, 03:32 PM
#12
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
The times I've deviated, I've let them buy the scheduled ticket first. Then I've deviated and cancelled that flight once I have an email of the actual fare they paid to get me out of MEM.
When the fare (on the scheduled DH) that they bought has been higher than the accepted, the actual (higher) fare on the purchased ticket I cancelled has gone into my deviation bank.
Usually the accepted and actual match, but when the actual has been higher, they've given it to me in my bank (as long as I let them buy the ticket first). That's probably not the way it's supposed to happen but it's been consistently done that way for me.
When the fare (on the scheduled DH) that they bought has been higher than the accepted, the actual (higher) fare on the purchased ticket I cancelled has gone into my deviation bank.
Usually the accepted and actual match, but when the actual has been higher, they've given it to me in my bank (as long as I let them buy the ticket first). That's probably not the way it's supposed to happen but it's been consistently done that way for me.
05-04-2008, 03:40 PM
#13
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Originally Posted by Adlerdriver
The times I've deviated, I've let them buy the scheduled ticket first. Then I've deviated and cancelled that flight once I have an email of the actual fare they paid to get me out of MEM.
When the fare (on the scheduled DH) that they bought has been higher than the accepted, the actual (higher) fare on the purchased ticket I cancelled has gone into my deviation bank.
Usually the accepted and actual match, but when the actual has been higher, they've given it to me in my bank (as long as I let them buy the ticket first). That's probably not the way it's supposed to happen but it's been consistently done that way for me.
When the fare (on the scheduled DH) that they bought has been higher than the accepted, the actual (higher) fare on the purchased ticket I cancelled has gone into my deviation bank.
Usually the accepted and actual match, but when the actual has been higher, they've given it to me in my bank (as long as I let them buy the ticket first). That's probably not the way it's supposed to happen but it's been consistently done that way for me.
The last time this worked for me was 2 years ago, before the FOX system. The company has won, and the union has decided to roll over for some reason.
Now back to your regularly scheduled programing.
05-04-2008, 03:56 PM
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Originally Posted by FlybyKnite
A few months ago, I got this as part of an answer to an accepted fare question from the union (CE):
I'm disappointed too.
Shortly after the contract the FPA had several questions on accepted fares. The FPA held the position that the pilots should be credited with the scheduled amount and the company thought otherwise. Unfortunately, the FPA did not go forward with it -this established past practice that we the union are aware of and for whatever reason did not go forward with a grievance in 1999 thus, by allowing this to happen the issue is "dead".
Unfortunately, for the current CBA this subject was on the agenda but, it never saw the light of day. This has been added to the 2010 contract opener folder.
Unfortunately, for the current CBA this subject was on the agenda but, it never saw the light of day. This has been added to the 2010 contract opener folder.
I'm disappointed too.
Assuming that's true, it would seem if we really wanted to address this...The union would put out a formal request to all crewmembers asking for proof of this past practice.
The only place I've seen anyone ask for proof, is on APC.
How many of you guys, yourself, have proof that you got the actual fare until FOX? I, for one, never tried.
05-05-2008, 01:44 AM
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Originally Posted by TheBaron
How, exactly, does taking the scheduled DH hurt the company?
For example, today there are 5 crews or 15 pilots scheduled to be on AA 1919 MEM-DFW. Most will deviate from this flight that has a 1 Star rating due to a 60% on time track record. The average delay listed on http://www.flightstats.com was :27 minutes.
If this flight mis-connects in Dallas, there should be 15 phone calls, 15 new reservations and concern for legal rest periods for 5 crews.
Instead, I will carry the burden of traveling on my shoulders. The accepted fare is $100 lower than the price Global Travel just quoted me for the same AA flights. And if the optimizer finds a way on RJ's or some LCC, the spread between actual costs and allowance will be even greater.
So, if we would all come to MEM for a Sunday night dinner once in while the reservations may be spread out among more airlines and not always the cheapest seats. I jumpseat down on Sundays during the middle of winter.
Is it worth it? Yes, I woke up looking at the snow covered Rockies this morning!
05-05-2008, 07:36 AM
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Originally Posted by Busboy
Established practice in and not grieved in 1999? From what I've read here...And, I know it must be accurate, if I read it here...is that people were still getting the actual fare until FOX came around.
Assuming that's true, it would seem if we really wanted to address this...The union would put out a formal request to all crewmembers asking for proof of this past practice.
The only place I've seen anyone ask for proof, is on APC.
How many of you guys, yourself, have proof that you got the actual fare until FOX? I, for one, never tried.
Assuming that's true, it would seem if we really wanted to address this...The union would put out a formal request to all crewmembers asking for proof of this past practice.
The only place I've seen anyone ask for proof, is on APC.
How many of you guys, yourself, have proof that you got the actual fare until FOX? I, for one, never tried.
I agree this has to be a priority item for the next contract but why should we have to fight for something we had for many years until a new software program came out?
It's hard for anyone to come up with proof that the fares were adjusted higher. We went from paper to the first electronic expense report and now to Fox. Who kept paper or expense reports from the old system? I didn't because I didn't know I was going to have to fight this battle back then. It was an approved procedure and my fares were adjusted higher 100% of the time if I submitted either an expense report or an email showing the higher fare as purchased by Corp. Travel for the scheduled D/H. The company is well aware of past precedence and has the expense report records to prove it. However as usual, the burden of proof is upon the pilots to prove to the company something they already know.
05-05-2008, 05:32 PM
#19
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Originally Posted by Freightbird
So, if we would all come to MEM for a Sunday night dinner once in while the reservations may be spread out among more airlines and not always the cheapest seats.
And when Delta/Northwest closes MEM as a hub, it might get even more interesting to see what accepted fares do!
05-07-2008, 05:29 PM
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Originally Posted by TheBaron
How, exactly, does taking the scheduled DH hurt the company?
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