jagplt

I think we need to discuss how the system currently works, and how we can make a few tweaks or adjustments that make it more equal for all in the pain sharing department.

This thread is driven by looking at a few calendars while checking on individual trips. With some of the guys, I can see why they block their calendars.

I'll note a few examples and we can banter about the pro's and con's of the current system and how we can correct some of the more flagrant examples of the lack of system fairness. These examples work in either seat, probably on all airplanes.

Let's say an airbus Capt, bid's a reserve line that has 15 day's of reserve carryover, and protects it with another 15 day's of reserve. That's 30 day's of reserve in a row. Does this most every month except when he's flying siba. In this particular example he hasn't turned a wheel in 2 months. Quite lucrative and legal. But what does that do to the overall picture? Why do we have reserve lines with 15 day's of carryover? Is it really necessary, or just a way for the company to get 15 more day's for straight time?

In example 2 an 11 Capt has 8 day's reserve carryover, 10 day's off and the rest of the month on reserve again. During that 10 day's off he picks up a 77 hour trip out of open time. Again, working 30 day's in a row, again legal.

In both cases these individuals have CH's of 140 to 160. There will be those who say I'm glad we can make extra when we want to... yes 5 years ago that wouldn't have had much effect on the system, but what about now. Senior guy's flying max CH's, 100+, while junior guys struggling with 68 hours and facing downgrades and maybe worse.

This isn't the same airline that supported this kind of inequity. It worked years ago, but the system is dividing the crew force now and seems out of control. I'm sure there are other examples, share them with us, then we can address the issue...

How do we share the pain?

LivingInMEM

Unfortunately, many in our "union" do not intend to share the pain, they would just as well see the junior guys get furloughed to protect their ability to bid carryover. Of course, had FedEx been potentially close to furlough when they were junior, they would have cried foul with the best of them. The whole concept of the union escapes them, unity in the good times (for contract negotiations, etc) requires unity in the bad times. Junior guys have long memories, too.

RJtrashPilot

How does the saying go? "Be nice to the junior guys because they will be senior to you at your next airline."

bifff15

Yes, but actions speak louder than words. It's all about ME ME ME (or so I've seen).

Biff
low seniority F/E

Fedex999999

I flew with a WB captain, who is married to another FedEx WB captain. Thought it was "unfair" that they made 6 credit hours less a month (68 instead of the old 74) because the company refused to furlough. Said it was all about their seniority, and that they had put in their time here, and deserved their full paycheck.

Yep, would rather see guys on the street than make about $1380 less a month.

Balut

I gotta wonder if this couple would have felt the same way if the shoe was on the other foot when they were junior (in the name of fairness and seniority). Somehow, I doubt it...

SuperMario

These people need to be shot in the face. It is imperative that we stand up to these a-holes. It may not change the net result, but I'll be damned if I listen to their drivel.

v1 uh-oh

how 'bout some inits and airplane , so we can know who these pieces of $(:/ are.

7/32/ and yet another NO

Gunter

Take a good look at the Airbus and Boeing bid packs. Carryover is minimized. BLG is low. All three airframes have lines less than 68 being "bought up" to 68.

I say the schedule is already made to maximize the number of lines. Folks here awhile remember the BLGs at 74. In a way, the pain is being shared. I am surprised the big domestic carryover trips have gone away. You don't see the runaway credit hours on senior folks lines now.

jagplt

mmmmm.. not quite right. You need to look at some of the schedules and see what some of the guys are flying. PM me if you need speicific examples. Some guy's are working 30 day's a month.