Thanks for pointing that out! I think I may need a re-read...obviously missed that the first time around.

Not sure this is a bad deal. Gonna have to take a closer look...

Excellent post.

Clearly, how often someone can be involuntarily STV'd is a "cost nuetral" issue for the company ---- 1 every 6 vs 1 every 14 is just a "senior" vs "junior" issue regarding "how protected" the top guys are from invol STV'd.

Please don't use the "don't worry, it will go senior argument" ---- cause if that's true, then you still won't mind changing it.

OK --- senior guys ---- here's a GREAT issue where you can show your willingness to "share the pain"....any takers?

This one's not about $$$...

...and you'd still get the best lines over in HKG if you got non-vol'd due to your seniority.

Perhaps, if I saw this type of change incorporated into the FDA LOA Amendment than I would believe we actually "negogiated" some significant improvements and would see a tangible example of how senior guys are stepping up to help out in trouble times.

Note that this provision goes back and modifies the CBA, not just the LOA, and therefore this provision isn't limited to HKG domiciled pilots. It means that ANYONE with a HKG-CAN leg on their trip can be given GT by commercial carrier. Train and hydrofoil are specifically included, but nothing is excluded, so bus is fair game. It also applies to any other int'l location the SIG approves. NRT-HND? How about SFS-MNL by bus?

Note also that this little provision never made it to the MEC's "See what a great amendment to the LOA we got you" summary. Hmmmm

Excellent post.

Clearly, how often someone can be involuntarily STV'd is a "cost nuetral" issue for the company ---- "1 every 6" vs "1 every 14" is just a "senior" vs "junior" issue regarding "how protected" the top guys are from invol STV'd.

OK --- senior guys ---- here's a GREAT issue where you can show your willingness to "share the pain"....any takers?

Please don't use the "don't worry, it will go senior argument" --- cause if that's true, then you still won't mind changing it.

And this one's not about $$$ or your permanent seat position over the next 3-5 years of stagnation...

...you'd still get the best lines over in HKG if you got non-vol'd due to your seniority.

Perhaps, if I saw this type of change incorporated into the FDA LOA Amendment than I would believe we actually "negogiated" some significant improvements and would see a tangible example of how senior guys are stepping up to help out in trouble times.

Final thought --- I wonder how many previously "mid-seniority" guys are "waking up" to this issue now that they may soon find themselves much more junior?

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Yet another reason I am voting NO!!

Now that I think about, the company and the union have already established the policy of adjusting an LOA mid vote. Why not change the LOA currently up for vote.

Remember when the union and their buddies in management were sweating the original LOA vote over the 90 day invol? It took about two weeks of "that was never the intention" denials before they agreed to change the LOA during the vote. It only took the company 3 pages of legalese to make a one word pen and ink change.

Albie,

Now that the block 7 dudes are frozen for the next 5 years; looks like your the block rep most impacted by this 1 every 6 bone job.

True. However, I think there will be another dozen who pop up to fill HKG. I got a call from an MD11 guy today considering it...

Lots of folks are looking hard at the move packages and the ability to sell out of a house. I think some folks will bid out just to unload homes in areas with declining values...

Again--we'll see. My thoughts on STV are well documented.

Just because all the slots are filled does not mean that STV will not happen.

Yeah, well how about this gem?


N. Ongoing Implementation Measures
The parties recognize that the details involved in opening and operating foreign pilot bases are varied and fluid. Other measures facilitating the operation of the pilot bases in CDG and HKG and supporting the pilots based there may be implemented if agreed upon in writing by the Vice President, Labor Relations Law and the ALPA FedEx MEC Chairman.

Discuss.