Practice 1 out....WOW
 

WOW This is going to be ugly...

that doesn't even begin to discribe it.... talk about an angry crew force of the future....

SHEEEEY -uutttt!

Happy Father's Day....

Cannot be surprised......
 

199 Wide-Body Excess listed in the FCIF and 199 "new" 727 S/O.

This is a realignment of seniority, per the Hub Turn Meeting last night. At least we have an idea versus guessing.

FWIW, a training letter with that many events/cycles PLUS the training letter from 08-01 will take years. If the economy turns positive, then (per the Meeting last night) there *might* be a different bid posted in the future.

I think we are understanding what many of our customers are already experiencing, a huge downturn in business.

Didn't someone once state that FedEx is a barometer for the U.S. economy?

There doesn't seem any reason to me to realign all of these seats except to set up for a furlough in the future. The practice bid wasn't pretty, that's for sure. Hopefully it won't change all that much so we can all quit feeling jerked around.

No way in hell the powers that be are going to allow 450 flight engineers on a disappearing aircraft....

Reduction in BLG is next and "F Lo" (not to be confused with J Lo) is on the horizon. Otherwise there is no reason to do what we are doing, plain and simple. Pay no attention to what the man behind the curtain says, his actions are what's important.

HKG is filled. That was the intent.

Training letter comes out. All hkg awardees are first with a sizable gap between their training and others. After they are activated, cancel the award for the rest. Can't read the contract closely quickly enough to see if its legal, but it seems Machiavellian enough.

Furlough? Maybe. It would be interesting to see how they would staff HKG with only 15 or so F/Os though.

Only 29 HKG FO total. Don't see how that is 100%.

It seems that the company is trying to get people to replace the purple nuggets and the very junior guys in HK, so that they can furlow without shutting down Asia

Just my opinion

Next practice bid . . . . . prediction . . . . . . HKG F/O fills . . . . . . Maybe

I counted 732 +/- training cycles required to fill this bid. That will take forever.

You don't train 700 + just to furlough. They could furlough without any excesses. Filling HKG is the motive here.

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Hmmm.....HKG still seems very junior to me. A furlough comes and they are gone, too.

All this is is an attempt to fill HKG....period! Good news is they're getting close. I completely agree that once HKG is filled, they'll start singing a different tune to us. Hang tough guys and gals, it's almost over.

Show me the training letter...it's going to be a MONSTER!! I too place my bet that once HKG is filled, no more excesses, people will sit where they're at and the training letter will be canx. 700 plus to train? Give me a break!

They're going to do/say anything to get HKG filled.

We're still making money and our f protection is the junior guys who jumped on this grenade.

I read somewhere on this board that those based in HKG are pretty safe from being furloughed. Do they have some kind of furlough protection or did I misunderstand the post?

Oh yeah, I'm good. Now, Mr. Union, is there not some sort of "whatcha talkin' bout Willis" in that there is an excess bid to get rid of 50 727 SOs, then on the next bid you end up with an even bigger surplus than you started with?

Next back-at-ya around the corner...

1. ANC-MEM, MEM-LAX, LAX-MEM, LAX-ANC, ANC-LAX, don't forget your full move package, including the sell your home option.

2. All those being bumped down a pay grade, make sure you don't fail training, otherwise you will have to go back to where you are now!

3. Those that were awarded HKG to prevent a backward progression, make sure you sign that LOA otherwise there is a new LOA out there that says you won't go, and will have to stay where you're at for 2 years!

This is going to be fun to watch.

What they mean is that some of the most junior pilots here are in HKG, so if the company furloughed, they would be shooting themselves in the foot, because they would be furloughing out of HKG.

:p I think it's comical....look at the numbers on the 11MEM...who now have to commute to 11ANC!! Good luck getting those jumpseats!!

What a joke! How on earth is this going to work?

Practice bid number 2 will put the nail in the coffin for this excess bid goat-rope!! HKG will get filled...end of story.

This WHOLE thing doesn't pass the sniff test!!

It would be comical to see HKG get filled on the practice bid 2 and then everybody withdraw their names for the final.

The beatings (excess bids) will continue until the morale improves (HKG gets filled).

Now is there another excess bid to come? The only thing I know is this suX.

Everyone pulling their bid for the final? Not likely.

WM

I see, thanks...

looks like open season on DP's...:mad:

Hopefully not...you guys have done a GREAT job up there.

Remember....Adversity doesn't build character --- rather it reveals it!

Thanks ANC pilots!

What he probably means is that MEM guys will be going up there now and they will be flying the DP's. :mad:

Per the contact - For the company to furlough, it looks like they would have to reduce all the bid packs to 48 hours. There is no relief for seat or aircraft. If they did that we wouldn’t have enough pilots.

What I really meant was...on average, the crew force didn't care about not flying DP's before the execess...I suspect there are many more Pi*^&*-off crewmembers and their give a shoot factor is even lower...not a direct stab at MEM.

I'm was just venting and PO'ed! See ya in MEM...

Now the attitude will be "The Union said to do/not do what? Like I'll ever listen to THEM again." This is sad.

I couldn't agree more. This is simply a way to fill HKG.

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That's funny. I would like to see the MEM DP flyers go up to ANC so they can get kicked in the jimmies. Might learn them real good. :)

Thanks to everyone who votes yes to the FDA! :mad:

I agree. Eliminating passover pay in the engineer seat and filling the FDA are the ultimate motives of these excesses. I, for one, am not going to freak out until after the multiple excesses and the 777 bid. By that time the seniority lists on the Bus and Maddog will look a lot like they do now.

As we all know, there are probably 20 wonderboys in a room in MEM figuring out how to make this all work while minimizing total cost. Half of them are cost analysts and half are lawyers to interpret the contract. I really don't see how relocating so many pilots, and thusly paying the relocation costs (move packages) is going to save FedEx money in the long run.

JMHO.

The fda bid/canceled FDA bid, vacancy bid/excess bid just doesn't make any sense unless some managers' arse is on the line to get the HKG domicile filled (it appears he managed to talk them into canceling the CDG domicile when no one bid it?).

That manager (PC maybe?) must be angry now and determined to make "us" pay for making him look incompetent ... and that boys and girls is why we are getting jerked around like noob pilots at a second or third tier bankrupt airline. (Oh, and maybe to get the ND's their "rightful" positions back?)

The good news (if there is any) is that "they" are still saying no furloughs ...