I've noticed for a while but never asked why the order of seniority for all the 88 guys is by DOB and not DOH. It looks like guys where hired in most months that year but a guy with Jan 88 DOH may be lower in seniority than a guy with a Sept DOH. Am I missing something obvious here?

Also does anyone know how many PFEs we still have? I see some guys who arent 60 yet but they are still FEs so I'm assuming they are PFEs

 

In the first year of operation everyone was hired on the same day and given a seniority number based on DOB. Your class date was your longevity date ( what you see on the ID card). People where hired into the seat and airplane they where going to fly and in most cases had been flying, this due to reduced ground school requirement ( short course) authorized by the FAA for the start up. This allowed UPS to transition the aircraft from the contractor certificates to the IPX certificate that they had purchased.
The above is a simplified version, for more detailed explaination contact Bob Miller at the IPA office.

 

It is a complicated answer. Back in '87 when UPS made the announcement that they were to become an airline instead of using contractors to fly UPS aircraft, an "orderly transition" was agreed to between the Teamsters and UPS. The first 25 numbers were IPX pilots by date of hire. UPS purchased the remaining half interest in IPX which was their joint venture with DHL to obtain Japan routes. They didn't get the Japan routes but UPS used IPX and their two DC-8's on domestic routes. This explains the IPX on our certificate. The remaining seniority numbers went to group 1 and group 2. Group 1 were former carrier pilots flying UPS aircraft. The carriers were; Orion, Ryan, Evergreen and Interstate. Those pilots were employed by their respective carrier which had a contract to staff the aircraft for UPS.
Group 2 pilots were hired by UPS directly after 1-1-88 and were not from one of the contract carriers. The seniority list was constructed as follows;
Group 1 Captains by date of birth
Group 2 Captains by date of hire
Group 1 F/O's by date of birth
Group 2 F/O's by date of hire
Group 1 F/E's and PFE's by date of birth
Group 2 F/E's by date of hire

 

Nine. Eight of the nine are in the 340-350 seniority range on the DC8 list. The ninth is close to the top 10 in seniority, but not on the DC8 list yet, as he just came off the 747.

 

The above is a simplified version, for more detailed explaination contact Bob Miller at the IPA office.[/quote]


Anyone know what day of the week Miller works so that he may be contacted?

 

How many of the 25 IPX pilots are still with UPS?

 

Were they all line pilots or did some get hired into management from beginning?

 

Anyone know what day of the week Miller works so that he may be contacted?[/quote]

Unless he has changed graphically, every day of the week. I would try Monday thru Friday

 

Any that where hired into management in 88 did not have numbers assigned. If one hired as a line pilot went over they gave up the seniority number. This was a company requirement to give up the number.

 

I see him in often (but usually in meetings, etc w/ other folks) Even when in the spaces, can't just walk up to them since in said meetings. Lots of folks call the EB members. Call Sheila and set up a time if you want to call w/o chance of missing him.
Not like he isn't working if that was the inference.