FDX -- trips not hitting open time?
01-14-2009, 10:08 AM
#51
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Originally Posted by fdx727pilot
Yeah, well the CBA says you can do a lot of things that folks on this board have spent a lot of time whining, moaning, and gnashing teeth over. Bidding the 777 (or any other vacancy) is legal by the CBA, as is applying for a Flex or LCA/SCA position. Yet there were many pages devoted to eviscerating Pablo for doing so. Even flying a DP or any other pairing in open time, is not contrary to the CBA. Yet look at what reaction that entirely legal action deservedly brings.
IMHO, and it is just my opinion, is that any flying done in excess of your awarded BLG/RLG, is hurting our pilot group. You are telling the company, in effect, that, "yes, we are overmanned. I'm more than willing to fly extra hours at straight time, thus eliminating the need for additional pilots to fly those hours. Perhaps you should furlough some, so we can all fly makeup if we desire. After all, it's my right under the CBA." If you pick up extra, you are not "sharing the pain."
I don't care if you dropped hours to help starving kids, care for a sick mom, or be ace-of-the-base over in the sandbox. Now is not the time to be flying extra. Trade a trip to make the commute easier, or swap a GFK trip for a BNA trip to get out of the cold. Sure. Just don't pick up a bunch of extra hours at straight time. Even DRF/VOL is better. At least then, you are making the company pay a premium to satisfy your greed.
Just my $0.02 worth. Standing by for the flames
IMHO, and it is just my opinion, is that any flying done in excess of your awarded BLG/RLG, is hurting our pilot group. You are telling the company, in effect, that, "yes, we are overmanned. I'm more than willing to fly extra hours at straight time, thus eliminating the need for additional pilots to fly those hours. Perhaps you should furlough some, so we can all fly makeup if we desire. After all, it's my right under the CBA." If you pick up extra, you are not "sharing the pain."
I don't care if you dropped hours to help starving kids, care for a sick mom, or be ace-of-the-base over in the sandbox. Now is not the time to be flying extra. Trade a trip to make the commute easier, or swap a GFK trip for a BNA trip to get out of the cold. Sure. Just don't pick up a bunch of extra hours at straight time. Even DRF/VOL is better. At least then, you are making the company pay a premium to satisfy your greed.
Just my $0.02 worth. Standing by for the flames
BD
01-14-2009, 10:48 AM
#52
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Originally Posted by AV8442
the CBA provided to us by ALPA gives us this Right.
Weak response ... very weak. Sounds like something FH would say? The CBA also allows you (gives you the right?) to make $350K/year but I doubt you could find anybody that would think it was a good idea?
Last edited by MaydayMark; 01-14-2009 at 10:54 AM.
01-14-2009, 11:30 AM
#53
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Originally Posted by R1200RT
There is nothing wrong with recovering lost pay.
When guys lose their jobs we need to lose pay to get them back, until then do what you are doing. Next summer if guys are on the street and you take time off with the family know it's a pay cut and don't plan on making it up until all the guys are back on property.
I think your above statement is the best I have read on this forum in the last month.
IF (BIG IF) the company were to furlough. Actually, the moment they put out a list ....... everything changes. Time to go to a hard and fast 48/60 month (as per our contract ... verbiage and intent).
But until that time ...... coming up with random work rules ....... on this forum ........ using our silly fake names ...... and then having acrimony towards those that don't follow the new rules..... is the very thing that will split the pilot group.
OH, our union does not think their is a threat of anybody getting furloughed either ..... see Resolutions #09-01 and #09-02
Fire away
01-14-2009, 11:48 AM
#54
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Originally Posted by fdx727pilot
I don't care if you dropped hours to help starving kids, care for a sick mom, or be ace-of-the-base over in the sandbox. Now is not the time to be flying extra. Trade a trip to make the commute easier, or swap a GFK trip for a BNA trip to get out of the cold. Sure. Just don't pick up a bunch of extra hours at straight time. Even DRF/VOL is better. At least then, you are making the company pay a premium to satisfy your greed.
Just my $0.02 worth. Standing by for the flames
Just my $0.02 worth. Standing by for the flames
The end of the fiscal year is coming up fast.
Wait until the shoe falls before you over react.
Last edited by R1200RT; 01-14-2009 at 02:52 PM.
01-14-2009, 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
Weak response ... very weak. Sounds like something FH would say? The CBA also allows you (gives you the right?) to make $350K/year but I doubt you could find anybody that would think it was a good idea?
01-14-2009, 01:08 PM
#56
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What not do something because it isn't the right thing to do?
For the past year, anyone born after Ike was CIC has been told to calm down about the regulated age change and mind your elders. It's the law, now get over it. They have every right to do what they are legally entitled to under the CBA. Yadda, Yadda,Yadda.
Now we have articulated to those that read this site, "don't fly anything extra", not while the company has it's hand in your pocket. OK, I'm a team player with a family, mortgage, college and an affinity for the finer things in life, so I'm going to do what I must with what I get. I thought about getting a second job with all this quality time on my hands, but what about the other poor guy that needs to substitute at the middle school or drive a bus or rake leaves, might I just be pushing my problems onto a genre of people that don't happen to wear ALPA lanyards?
What is indisputable, is that we must get behind the union! If they fail, we all fail.
The company has us in a very convenient position. A year or so of this MBLG situation, and the vine will be well ripened for picking come negotiations in 2010. Heck, to give us a year might be insanely optimistic.
But if we are going to list the "things we might consider doing, even though the CBA says its Ok", how about the over 60 crowd "declaring a non-emergency and rolling the fire trucks to spot 13". Hey, they have had a good career, a good A fund, B fund, 401K, kids are probably long gone, new set of sails, their first few ex-wives are probably remarried and don't forget the VEBA to help them to medicare.
Just a thought. So log on and let's get this party rolling.
For the past year, anyone born after Ike was CIC has been told to calm down about the regulated age change and mind your elders. It's the law, now get over it. They have every right to do what they are legally entitled to under the CBA. Yadda, Yadda,Yadda.
Now we have articulated to those that read this site, "don't fly anything extra", not while the company has it's hand in your pocket. OK, I'm a team player with a family, mortgage, college and an affinity for the finer things in life, so I'm going to do what I must with what I get. I thought about getting a second job with all this quality time on my hands, but what about the other poor guy that needs to substitute at the middle school or drive a bus or rake leaves, might I just be pushing my problems onto a genre of people that don't happen to wear ALPA lanyards?
What is indisputable, is that we must get behind the union! If they fail, we all fail.
The company has us in a very convenient position. A year or so of this MBLG situation, and the vine will be well ripened for picking come negotiations in 2010. Heck, to give us a year might be insanely optimistic.
But if we are going to list the "things we might consider doing, even though the CBA says its Ok", how about the over 60 crowd "declaring a non-emergency and rolling the fire trucks to spot 13". Hey, they have had a good career, a good A fund, B fund, 401K, kids are probably long gone, new set of sails, their first few ex-wives are probably remarried and don't forget the VEBA to help them to medicare.
Just a thought. So log on and let's get this party rolling.
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