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01-14-2009, 12:25 PM
#11
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Originally Posted by JustUnderPar
Not sure how you figure they would get furloughed. (If the airplane goes then so does the position).
What part of the contract are you looking at? Junior FO's. Do you see how senior some of these FE's are?
Same applies to the over 65 FE's.
I almost think the company is going to get rid of all the -8's just to MAKE the over 65 crowd RETIRE.
What part of the contract are you looking at? Junior FO's. Do you see how senior some of these FE's are?
Same applies to the over 65 FE's.
I almost think the company is going to get rid of all the -8's just to MAKE the over 65 crowd RETIRE.
I am not saying I agree with that and I might be totally wrong but I don't see how the company could possibly lay off guys/gals between 60-65 when there are pilots junior to them on property...
I hope I am wrong though (sorry Roberto
)...Edit:
I just read Roberto's post and I agree... If all DC8s got parked, all over 65 guys would be forced into retirement (or laid off) as furlough does not apply to them (they could never be 'recalled' from a furlough).
Under 65 guys though would be displaced into other aircraft and us, junior guys would be furloughed instead...
01-14-2009, 01:03 PM
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Originally Posted by Roberto
Same thing that happened to the 747, and the 727 before that. All the positions would be displaced. Displaced NB's would be still be NB's, but their pay would be unaffected unless released to the line in new seat. If the company didn't offer enough vacancies to accomodate all the positions, then after the displacement musical chairs was complete, the junior guys would drop off into furlough. Over 65's would not have an airplane, and would have to retire.
01-14-2009, 01:22 PM
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Originally Posted by MountyFlyer
I don't have the info in front of me, so does anyone know how many over 65 or PFE's we have on the seniority list?
Last edited by Roberto; 01-14-2009 at 04:14 PM.
01-14-2009, 01:26 PM
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Originally Posted by ⌐ AV8OR WANNABE
...I don't see how the company could possibly lay off guys/gals between 60-65 when there are pilots junior to them on property...I hope I am wrong though (sorry Roberto )...
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01-14-2009, 01:30 PM
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Originally Posted by 757upspilot
Why would they have to retire? They could take the layoff against the company pulling airplanes back out.
01-14-2009, 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by Roberto
An interesting thought, but I'm assuming if the company gets rid of the DC8, they won't be coming back.
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