FDX--Please Explain
01-14-2009, 03:42 PM
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FDX--Please Explain
How we are grossly overmanned (at least in MD-11). I'm an 11 FO so I used the MEM Feb MD-11 bid pack to generate these numbers.
679 MD-11 FOs - 33 PO = 646
317 vacation weeks (estimated/some are more than a week) = 158 bodies essentially with a month off.
646 - 158 = 487 pilot bodies available
There are 469 MD-11 FO lines.
469 - 487 = 19 pilots remaining.
I understand the guys with vacation might not use all their days and/or may bid around it but still even if as many as 1/2 did we would still only have 98 extra pilots for all the reserve requirements generated by extra parings and sick and the VTO requirements for the trips knocked out by conflicts with vacation and training.
Pretty simple but does not look right--What big error did I make.
679 MD-11 FOs - 33 PO = 646
317 vacation weeks (estimated/some are more than a week) = 158 bodies essentially with a month off.
646 - 158 = 487 pilot bodies available
There are 469 MD-11 FO lines.
469 - 487 = 19 pilots remaining.
I understand the guys with vacation might not use all their days and/or may bid around it but still even if as many as 1/2 did we would still only have 98 extra pilots for all the reserve requirements generated by extra parings and sick and the VTO requirements for the trips knocked out by conflicts with vacation and training.
Pretty simple but does not look right--What big error did I make.
01-14-2009, 03:56 PM
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It's all about BLG
There's no error in your calculations but the issue is that the same number of pilots are flying fewer hours. If you take the number of hours available for MEM MD11 F/O's in Feb08, the numbers look like this:
469 lines x 65.25 CH avg F/O BLG = 30,602 CH
Now divide those CH by the average BLG for Aug 08:
30,602 CH / 85 CH (avg Aug 08 BLG) = 360 lines
That's a difference of 109 lines. The precipitous drop in BLGs means everyone is still flying but doing less of it and earning less. There's just fewer hours to go around.
469 lines x 65.25 CH avg F/O BLG = 30,602 CH
Now divide those CH by the average BLG for Aug 08:
30,602 CH / 85 CH (avg Aug 08 BLG) = 360 lines
That's a difference of 109 lines. The precipitous drop in BLGs means everyone is still flying but doing less of it and earning less. There's just fewer hours to go around.
01-14-2009, 04:33 PM
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Originally Posted by XprsFr8r
There's no error in your calculations but the issue is that the same number of pilots are flying fewer hours. If you take the number of hours available for MEM MD11 F/O's in Feb08, the numbers look like this:
469 lines x 65.25 CH avg F/O BLG = 30,602 CH
Now divide those CH by the average BLG for Aug 08:
30,602 CH / 85 CH (avg Aug 08 BLG) = 360 lines
That's a difference of 109 lines. The precipitous drop in BLGs means everyone is still flying but doing less of it and earning less. There's just fewer hours to go around.
469 lines x 65.25 CH avg F/O BLG = 30,602 CH
Now divide those CH by the average BLG for Aug 08:
30,602 CH / 85 CH (avg Aug 08 BLG) = 360 lines
That's a difference of 109 lines. The precipitous drop in BLGs means everyone is still flying but doing less of it and earning less. There's just fewer hours to go around.
Try using Sept's BLG of 68hrs, for a similar 4-week month. Of course, it was bought up to that number. Don't know what the real hours were.
Last edited by Busboy; 01-14-2009 at 04:43 PM.
01-14-2009, 04:36 PM
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Also...Don't forget to take into account the 100+ pilots bidding carryover and then NOT protecting Min Days the following months basically giving the company reason to furlough 
Hopefully we will collectively suck it up for just a couple months and quit doing extra...
*** Use your vacation
*** Protect Min Days if you have carryover
*** No extra flying while the junior guys are on the chopping block
Hopefully we will collectively suck it up for just a couple months and quit doing extra...
*** Use your vacation
*** Protect Min Days if you have carryover
*** No extra flying while the junior guys are on the chopping block
01-14-2009, 05:21 PM
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Oh dopey me...
Originally Posted by Busboy
85 hrs? For a 4 week bid month? You're talking apples and oranges there.
Try using Sept's BLG of 68hrs, for a similar 4-week month. Of course, it was bought up to that number. Don't know what the real hours were.
Try using Sept's BLG of 68hrs, for a similar 4-week month. Of course, it was bought up to that number. Don't know what the real hours were.
In the immortal words of Rosanne Rosanna Dana:
"Never mind!"
01-14-2009, 05:43 PM
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There are 83 carryover trips in that bid pack that have over 1 day of CO. I didn't add it all up but very few exceeded a week and most were 2-4 days. So just as a wag of 83 x 36 = 2988 hours/65 = 45 extra lines and I think that is too much. C/O is not nearly the impact even if every hour was protected that everyone is making it out to be. They ain't going to furlough anybody.
01-14-2009, 05:50 PM
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Originally Posted by XprsFr8r
There's no error in your calculations but the issue is that the same number of pilots are flying fewer hours. If you take the number of hours available for MEM MD11 F/O's in Feb08, the numbers look like this:
469 lines x 65.25 CH avg F/O BLG = 30,602 CH
Now divide those CH by the average BLG for Aug 08:
30,602 CH / 85 CH (avg Aug 08 BLG) = 360 lines
That's a difference of 109 lines. The precipitous drop in BLGs means everyone is still flying but doing less of it and earning less. There's just fewer hours to go around.
469 lines x 65.25 CH avg F/O BLG = 30,602 CH
Now divide those CH by the average BLG for Aug 08:
30,602 CH / 85 CH (avg Aug 08 BLG) = 360 lines
That's a difference of 109 lines. The precipitous drop in BLGs means everyone is still flying but doing less of it and earning less. There's just fewer hours to go around.
30,602 CH/68 CH = 450 vs 469. Whoopee! A whole extra 19 lines!
Very little impact in MEM MD-11 as long as lines stay about where they are (which is what they have been mostly for months now anyway). Now it would be nice to know how others are affected.
01-14-2009, 05:53 PM
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Originally Posted by FDXLAG
Now add the 12000 hours of C/O back in and what do you get?
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