I don't know, this management group seems to have an unlimited capacity to interpret anything however they want, regardless of pesky facts.

So far I'm very impressed with JG's words ... he seems to understand the problem and it would appear he's not inclined to put up with any of managements standard games. He's about my seniority, I like that and he's been furloughed so he understands those issues. I think we're lucky to have him in that job.

Good for him ... I'll give him all my support :D

Me too Mark. He's got his crap collected and I am behind him.

Well I think that everyone would agree that Fred's were some big shoes to fill...and I think that John G is definitely the man for the job. Excellent well written comm, very logical man, and I am proud that we have guys like that willing to step up on our behalf.

Bravo John !!

"Carryover. Now here’s an interesting subject that generates a lot of impassioned views, seniority dependent of course. Viewed with an addiction analogy, once someone gets hooked on the heroin-type high of continual Draft and Volunteer as the sole means to make it from one paycheck to the next, Carryover then becomes the methadone to deal with the absence of Volunteer and Draft. Is there something inherently wrong with Carryover? No, not in normal times, as it is the “sure” thing if you’re senior enough to hold it and want to subject yourself to continual work at straight time pay. However, when management maintains 686 jobs are in jeopardy and there’s an ongoing 12,000+CHs of Carryover per bid period, then in our committee’s world, we have a problem. We have an even more significant problem when management states their ambivalence to address Carryover while they lament their staffing level. Management does not want to stop Carryover, from their standpoint to do so would create inefficiencies in the system and cost money. There’s that “cost” word again..."



Does that clear up the carryover question for the really slow?

You misspelled "got his feces coagulated", but otherwise, I agree! ;)

Looks like the union and the company are in an all out war. Problem is, in this industry the company always wins (at least in the past few years). I think the company will inflict some casualties just to prove they are in charge, unless cooler heads show up from somewhere.

It was a good ride while it lasted.

I wonder if say4dew4 gets it now?

[QUOTE=MD10PLT;546912]Looks like the union and the company are in an all out war. Problem is, in this industry the company always wins (at least in the past few years). I think the company will inflict some casualties just to prove they are in charge, unless cooler heads show up from somewhere.

What, giving up the ship already? with that kind of 'tude the company has ALREADY won. Hang on dude, the fun is just beginning and (a collective) we are going to need everyone,including Foxdouche to win this.

As JG and the Negotiating Committee have implied, this has very little to do with staffing and everything to do with money. I'm sure PC and and the rest of the flight mgt dept were given an ultimatum to cut costs, and this furlough threat is what they came up with. Not very original, but they seem to think it will work. Just the fact that they rebuffed the union's mitigation offer speaks volumes of their arrogance.

I'm glad JG is letting us in on the whole process. I don't mind working with the company to cut costs (think fuel sense) but please don't lie to me and threaten a furlough just to take more money out of my pocket.