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R1200RT 01-27-2009 08:49 PM


Originally Posted by Gunter (Post 546856)
What odds are you giving?

12% and 0%(more than 50 folks) Just me and I may be wrong, but I'd bet some cash I'm not.

Time to put blinders on and support the Union.

Daniel Larusso 01-27-2009 09:13 PM

Nice update and much more eloquent and detailed explanation of what I was trying to say on the other thread about why we need to just keep quiet about our thoughts for a bit while waiting for the company's next salvo. Let them fish in silence.

Daniel Larusso 01-27-2009 10:26 PM

Money, Money, Money.................Money
 

We cannot agree to any long term constraints on the contractual right to furlough. Anything that would prevent the Company from furloughing in June or beyond is not acceptable to the Company at this point.

We cannot agree to any sort of economic "snap-back" as that term is generally used in the industry.

We could agree that the MBPG would be reset to 68/65 when flown reserve utilization reaches 45% system wide for three consecutive bid periods (with proviso that the December bid period does not count
).

Beautiful that they included this document in the e-mail, absolutely beautiful.

990Convair 01-27-2009 11:04 PM


Originally Posted by Daniel Larusso (Post 546973)
).

Beautiful that they included this document in the e-mail, absolutely beautiful.


Agreed. Up front and forthright. This leaves no doubt as to the company's intentions to extract economic gains from us via 4A2B.

I am sure they are not "happy" these documents were sent out for membership review.

Let the truth set you free.

purpledog 01-28-2009 03:25 AM

Bravo JG! I am very pleased at the effort to keep the membership in the loop.

R1200RT 01-28-2009 06:53 AM

Well, after two bottles of $2 wine and now a $4 hangover (two buck Chuck). I'm feeling better and better about the way the union in taking care of my business.

You know lots of people questioned and opposed the war, but once troops hit the ground it was time for everyone to stop questioning and back the effort.

We, are now in the same situation here at FedEx. It's time to stop nitpicking the union and blindly (for a few months) back them and stick together.

Spread the word we are getting flimflammed for the almighty buck.

By the way I don't really blame our pilot management. I'm sure they are getting their marching orders from way above.

Huck 01-28-2009 06:55 AM


Well, after two bottles of $2 wine and now a $4 hangover (two buck Chuck).
Which one, Oakland or Los Angeles layover?

MD10PLT 01-28-2009 06:59 AM


What, giving up the ship already? with that kind of 'tude the company has ALREADY won. Hang on dude, the fun is just beginning and (a collective) we are going to need everyone,including Foxdouche to win this.
Not giving up, but the bottom line is we are screwed and there is no way we can win.

We are already losing 30% of our pay, if the union fights this (and they are) the company will retaliate with a bump and flush realignment. Then we will either be losing pay due to reduced hours or reduced seat position, or both. Then if it looks like the union might win the grievance the company will just furlough 600 guys to prove they were right in the need to furlough.

The only ones who have a chance, are the top 40% in seniority, and they are running around openly advocating for a furlough, as witnessed at two ANC union meetings. This of course will cause a rip in the union if it happens. There is no way to support a union where the top 40% do not believe in the principles of UNION. So in the end we will have less pay and QOL, either by seat position or hours. The union will be fractured and all company loyalty will be gone.

The only possible hope we have is that someone way up high can see the damage this is causing to the company and steps in. I'm not holding my breath since this appears to be a battle of wills/egos.

BTW I think the union is doing the right thing. They not only need to stand up to the company but also the top 40% of the seniority list, if they have any hope of keeping the union united in the future. As much as I think we have very little hope in this, one can't just roll over and take it. Good job so far MEC.

Magenta Line 01-28-2009 07:01 AM

Reserve utilization reaches 45% system wide not including December......

Now that's funny!

MD11Fr8Dog 01-28-2009 07:07 AM


Originally Posted by R1200RT (Post 547107)

By the way I don't really blame our pilot management. I'm sure they are getting their marching orders from way above.

From the NC UPdate, I got the impression that JG thinks differently!


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