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Old 01-28-2009 | 02:28 PM
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What is up? Just got my VTO for Feb and it's worth 58 hrs? What the heck? Can they do this? This is below RLG. Ridiculous!!
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Old 01-28-2009 | 02:53 PM
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What is up? Just got my VTO for Feb and it's worth 58 hrs? What the heck? Can they do this? This is below RLG. Ridiculous!!
What airplane/seat? What was BLG?
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Old 01-28-2009 | 04:48 PM
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That does sound very low. I'm a 727 Capt. w/VTO. Basic BLG was 65.50.
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Old 01-28-2009 | 05:25 PM
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Refer to CBA 25.D.1.a-e, and 25.D.2.a-e. A couple things. The CBA allows for a 13 hour split between low and high line. The second section allows that VTOs be build with the same rules as regular lines, except that 'R' days may be used. Both stipulate CBA compliance, with min days off, 4-3-2, or 4-3-3-2 blocks of days off, etc. So, as long as your 58 hour BLG is within 13 hours of the high line, I'd say it's legal. As long as the Company is using 4.A.2.b to do their alleged manning mitigation exercise, I think we can expect just about anything.
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Old 01-28-2009 | 05:57 PM
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On another note:

Can you trade a trip in Jan for a trip in Feb? I've got a trip this weekend with a little carryover and want to trade for a trip next weekend.

Thanks!
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Old 01-28-2009 | 06:17 PM
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Originally Posted by Magenta Line
On another note:

Can you trade a trip in Jan for a trip in Feb? I've got a trip this weekend with a little carryover and want to trade for a trip next weekend.

Thanks!
nope, all you can do is drop it (if you're lucky, the dreaded insufficient reserves!) and do a make up for the other. Of course you'll catch he!! on here for doing a make up though
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Old 01-29-2009 | 12:25 AM
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What is up? Just got my VTO for Feb and it's worth 58 hrs? What the heck? Can they do this? This is below RLG. Ridiculous!!
What base and seat??? How far down the Secondary list were you?

Sorry to hear, you can thank all the guys bidding carryover and NOT protecting Min Days....horrible! Time to start policing ourselves.
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Old 01-29-2009 | 04:01 AM
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Scan through the first 10 or so MEM MD-11 secondary lines and take a look at all the guys that did had carry-over into Feb and did not protect min days off.
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Old 01-29-2009 | 06:07 AM
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727 FO had lots of trips left after secondaries were built. Bad deal to have a secondary line with a low BLG when there were more trips left to give out. Company is gettting people to snag them out of open time and so those trips left in open time now are not included in BLG/RLG calculations which equals less RLG.

Huge loophole in the contract.

Interesting that the contract has 100 pages on retirements and veba and etc. for the senior that is well thought out but the furlough paragraph is a couple of sentences that don't make any sense.
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Old 01-29-2009 | 06:10 AM
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Originally Posted by MaydayMark
What airplane/seat? What was BLG?
MM....VTO.....60CH plus change for me

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