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FDXLAG 03-04-2009 03:04 PM

No offense Albie but;

To me it says contact your Rep. If the LOA voting record is any indication don't count on your Block Rep to represent their block, especially block 7 & 8. But maybe the block heads are gone.:(

FDXFLYR 03-04-2009 03:14 PM

Finally, a clear unmistakable direction from our Union:

"...Until we achieve economic enhancements to the HKG FDA, the prudent course of action remains to bid a HKG position on the excess bid only if it suits your needs under the terms of the existing LOA..."

I wish all the union comm was that clear.

NoHaz 03-04-2009 04:19 PM


Originally Posted by FDXFLYR (Post 572106)
Finally, a clear unmistakable direction from our Union:

"...Until we achieve economic enhancements to the HKG FDA, the prudent course of action remains to bid a HKG position on the excess bid only if it suits your needs under the terms of the existing LOA..."

I wish all the union comm was that clear.

However, if you pass HKG Capt on the excess bid then you give up the possibility of gaining FDA passover pay if denied the award. Also, if you are a previous excess bidder of HKG then you would be subject to passover payback according to the terms of the latest settlement. Seems like a better course would be for all excessees to bid HKG Capt so they can pay protect (Capt) or pay raise (Fo's) if they don't get the award and still get all the "benefits" associated with the excess status.

skypig 03-04-2009 04:28 PM


Originally Posted by skypig (Post 572080)
Is this letter referring to our upcoming negotiations in 2010?

Because I'm confused if it is in reference to some negotiations going on regarding 09-02 which is the title of the update. What negotiations would these be?

I guess my signature should say f student... After careful review of past comms I get the sequence ie. 09-02, just a coincidence with our latest excess number.

I will say, I don't see any negotiation going on. It takes two parties to negotiate, and for all intent and purpose all the NC and MEC are doing is offering solutions that the company is ignoring. The company attitude, "It's your CBA we'll interpret it this way...grieve it." I don't think they are at all interested in looking at a Global Solution, but are happily watching us chase our tails.

I do have deja vu after reading this update. Alot of inevitability being conveyed here...feels just like the MEC accepting age 65 as inevitable and taking the 'we might as well accept it and have some input to it's implementation' viewpoint... although I guess we'll get to vote on whatever is negotiated this time.

iarapilot 03-04-2009 05:07 PM


Originally Posted by FDXFLYR (Post 572106)
Finally, a clear unmistakable direction from our Union:

"...Until we achieve economic enhancements to the HKG FDA, the prudent course of action remains to bid a HKG position on the excess bid only if it suits your needs under the terms of the existing LOA..."

I wish all the union comm was that clear.

I actually got a laugh out of that statement. Kind of self incriminating. The enhancements should have been achieved in the original LOA, before it was put to vote. (I know JG was not there then.) Oh well...hindsight I suppose.:rolleyes: Unfortunately, using hindsight, collectively we still make many wrong decisions.

Overnitefr8 03-04-2009 05:32 PM


Originally Posted by iarapilot (Post 572189)
I actually got a laugh out of that statement. Kind of self incriminating. The enhancements should have been achieved in the original LOA, before it was put to vote. (I know JG was not there then.) Oh well...hindsight I suppose.:rolleyes: Unfortunately, using hindsight, collectively we still make many wrong decisions.

No, it was better to get something in writing. We can always improve on it later. :rolleyes:

gderek 03-04-2009 05:48 PM


Originally Posted by Jumbo Pilot (Post 572064)
That letter made me kind of sick to my stomach. I'm in the bottom 300 and that communication definitely did not inspire confidence in my union to do everything possible to protect my job.

I don't feel good about this.......

I got the same feeling when I read this (bottom 200 myself). :( I sure hope we are misreading this. I've been one who thinks it very, very unlikely that the company furloughs (caveat -unless the economy gets much worse than it is)

At any rate, if we get sold out that doesn't bode well for the future.(Just remember what happened to the APA after those that endured the B Scale came to power)

Busboy 03-04-2009 05:58 PM


Originally Posted by gderek (Post 572211)
I got the same feeling when I read this (bottom 200 myself). :( I sure hope we are misreading this. I've been one who thinks it very, very unlikely that the company furloughs (caveat -unless the economy gets much worse than it is)

At any rate, if we get sold out that doesn't bode well for the future.(Just remember what happened to the APA after those that endured the B Scale came to power)


Is that a threat?

Nice...:rolleyes:

gderek 03-04-2009 06:13 PM


Originally Posted by Busboy (Post 572218)
Is that a threat?

Nice...:rolleyes:

Of course not. I'm just afraid that it could happen. It's exactly what the company wants.... to create division among us.

My comment is just a reminder of reverberations for the future depending on how the NC handles the situation. Why would I make a threat to the guys that'll be buying me beer.:D

MaydayMark 03-04-2009 06:23 PM


Originally Posted by gderek (Post 572231)
Why would I make a threat to the guys that'll be buying me beer.:D


And taking a pay cut in an effort to keep you on the payroll ...


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