They WILL ask - but if we alll stand together on an issue (standing up for each other via the MOU), they won't have a hope of getting concessions.

I have put in for JS for all of '09 and anticipate doing even more down the road. I'll put in on OUR terms, not theirs - and I'd never vote for any kind of concessions.

FD

 

THANK YOU! Someone who sees the big picture.

 

[QUOTE=freightdawg;617592]Whether or not they "have" to furlough is irrelevant (sp?)......THIS IS A BUSINESS PEOPLE not a charity! Company - "Awwww, well we have 300 pilots sitting around getting paid to not fly but we feel bad for them so let's pay them $100,000+ a year cuz we feel sorry for them." Puhhleazzze! Would you run your business that way?????

2000+ pilots obviously don't give a rat's butt about their fellow union brothers and sisters but y'all expect UPS to give a crap about us????? In a perfect world, maybe but we all know this world is far from perfect. Let's stop crying about UPS this and UPS that and encourage all your friends and coworkers to sign up. I signed up for 3 bid periods of RDG the first time.....after seeing the numbers, I signed up for another bid period of RDG.....I'm probably going to sign up for a little more.......LET'S DO THIS PEOPLE!

 

Everytime I dare to go on there (which is maybe once every 6 months), I regret it about 5 minutes later.

 

What if the bottom 300 has already signed up for the max or close to it...which common sense would suggest.

Total pilots 2906
Total volunteers 843
Percentage % 29

Realistically, and maybe not even theoretically; the bottom 300 won't be able to do it alone within the confines of the MOU.

 

Really? RDG will come back and bite us.

 

And a furlough will not bite us? I'd rather work the RDG 'bite' with my fellow 300 IPA friends on the property.

FreightPuppy put it best, we expect UPS not to furlough and run a charity when the majority of the IPA sits idly by pointing to the other person to do the lifting.
My sense is that the junior 300 have done alot of lifting, but 2 yr F/O pay isn't going to have the same impact as a CPT on 14 year pay doing the same volunteer option.The contributions cut across the seniority spectrum, we just need to fill in the numbers now.

 

The only way this is going to work is if everybody across the seniority list participates. Period. We have 900+ that have signed up now, everyone else needs to step up to the plate. This is not just about the junior guy but about all of us. For those that say they cant I say B****sh*t. Everyone of us can take a RDL for 37.5 and make this work. One thing that always comes true is "what comes around goes around".....think of our future contract negotiations. HD

 

HD, Freighpuppy (especially), and others insulting other crewmembers who have decided not to participate, you all are way out of line. How dare you think you can decide for others what they are capable of doing. I do this job to make money and take care of my kids and I don't blame anyone if they feel they are putting their personal futures at great risk.

With that said you are 100% correct that this thing won't work without a heck of a lot more participation. But it's the baby boomer generation of captains that we have that are not signing up. Many have reasons, but all of them can't. If the real goal was to keep everyone on property the EB should have agreed to concessions that would only take effect if we failed to raise the money through voluntary measures. What is total BS is that some mil guys are volunteering for Afghanistan while other mil guys are doing nothing. What is BS is that some fat cat Captains who have made 300k+ the last few years are doing nothing while some of their peers are giving up ten of thousands of earnings via RDG and JS. What is BS is that a few are trying to carry the load of everyone. The EB knew this and they should have agreed temporarily to 2008 wages, a slight reduction to B plan, and kept everyone safe and everyone making the same sacrifice.

On a final note, this plan is tearing our union apart while temporary concessions would have kept everyone on the payroll.

LJS
And yes I have done more than my share and as much sacrificing as I am able to. I can't go on half pay for more than a few bids and I refuse to go back to full time military duty--a 90 day tour is the most I'll do, sorry. I'd like to be involved in my kids' lives while they are growing up and deploying for a year is out of the question as is doing orders away from home for a year.

 

LJS,
Would say the record shows the majority of military are participating. Remember that the military folks have to deal with a third party, the DOD and the Federal Govt. Not everyone is in a unit nor in a position to demand anything..IPA asked that only put in for orders that stood a high likelyhood of being executed. The requirements for orders met pushback by many military commanders causing some to be unable to do MIL for the MOU.
Mil crewmembers have contibuted $11.4 million over the 3 years. It surveyed at $15.4 million. Many are still feverishly working to get letters in. I'd say of all demographics, the military crewmember has kept their word the best percentage wise. They surveyed at 13% of the total, right now they are at 19% of contributions and over 73% of their survey goal. Appreciate you contribution. You validate my statement about the military crewmembers <g>