This is probably a good assessment of the hiring that won't occur. The company is doing what it does with every economic pull back making the company more efficient and reduce costs. They maintained prior to our layoff mitigation that they could have cut 250 to 500 pilots or 20% of the pilot group. It would have been interesting and painful to watch but, they would have tried. Good Luck.

 

I called a few months back to see if I could learn anything. I was finally passed to a woman who tried to answer my questions about pool status, having to reinterview, faxing updates, etc. She really couldn't tell me anything except they are no longer excepting fax updates. (Would have been nice if they had notified us of that.) She said all of the other stuff would be decided by whomever is in charge of hiring when the time comes. Am I in the Brown pool? I don't know...

 

Razor - did you talk to Sharnika? She's still in charge of HR/hiring issues... I know she still attends a few job fairs here and there mainly when they'd made prior commitments, etc...

As far as them not letting you folks know - well, personally I think they simply assume the info you got when you all were put in the pool hasn't changed... "We'll call you when we need you", etc...

Maybe I'm too optimistic but I don't think it'll be 3 years before "we need you" - I think it'll be sooner than that... I also think (and hope) that all of you are still in our pool... When UPS conserves resources they simply redeploy majority of the HR department to other departments leaving a skeleton crew which is probably why y'all haven't heard anything...

Good luck to you all and hope to see you onboard sooner than it appears right now... Can't wait to start reading your posts here on how much ya'll dislike the brown uniform or how dated our pre-WWII phone system seems to be, or...

 

No, it wasn't Sharnika unfortunately. The women I spoke with was trying to be helpful it's just that she didn't know the answers to the questions I was asking. I would've liked to ask to speak with somebody else that knew but I didn't think that was such a good idea

I see UPS will be in Atlanta for the OBAP convention 4-8 Aug. I can't make it but maybe somebody will be able to attend and let the rest of us know what is said. Also, looks like the WAI conference is scheduled for 25-27 Feb next year.

 

I'll check if my friend will be going to the two conferences (recruiter for a different airline) and if so I'll ask her to get some inside info if she can...

By the way, a WAI conference is how I got an interview here... Went to the seminar with a lady friend who never got the call herself, go figure... I guess I was in touch with my feminine side on that day...

PS. Having been to all those conferences before (AirInc, OBAP, WAI, etc) I think WAI has the best set up of them all...

 

Consider yourselves lucky if you are not in the UPS pilot pool.

This place is a miserable place to work and I count coming here as the biggest mistake that I have made so far in life.

I am 100% serious. Do not sacrifice your happiness and family for UPS. They will use you, abuse you, wreck your family life and not give a rat's ass about it. It is not worth it!

 

Well, have you thought about leaving? I don't mean to be disrespectful, I really don't...

You know very well it's hard to work with people who're miserable and unhappy; and you sound like such a person... Maybe you should look into an expat deal: Emirates, Cathay, etc? Or maybe even a profession change? I think that being miserable will affect your health in the long run...

I'm probably only a few numbers senior to you (or maybe even junior, I'm not sure) but I have a totally different outlook on things... At least you have a family to share your life with; sure things will get tough but if you explain things to them I’m sure they’ll be patient and supportive of you... I don't have a family anymore, not by choice but that's just how it is... Yet, I refuse to stoop down to your level of misery because I am a half-full type of a person...

Just look around you and maybe you’ll see some people who’d love to be in your shoes… Almost every week I talk to friends who’re desperate for any type of a flying job, or simply a job… Laid off form JAL, furloughed from Midwest, etc, etc, etc. Heck, even regionals have been laying people off…

I know that other peoples' misfortune won’t make your life easier per se BUT try to find some positive aspects in your life or do something to change it (i.e. new job) or you’ll be very miserable for a long time…

Wish you and your family the best…

 

Ouch, wow, I am sorry to hear that.

That is why I want to enjoy and spend as much time with my kids as I can because it could all end in a flash without warning.

I'm positive that if I spend the next five years commuting to ANC and missing my kids grow up during these young years will be something that I regret for the rest of my life.

I wish you the best also.

 

Let me get this straight -

1) You'all are told to update via fax. Then they disconnect the fax without warning.

2) You get a hold of someone who seems nice but does not offer any assistance in answering your questions, does not offer to get back to you and does not direct you to someone who might know. All she does know is you should stop your only means of contact with the company, the faxing of updates.

3) You think chasing down a UPS rep at a show will get you the "missing" info and help out the poolies. Doesn't hiring have all of your contact information?

4) UPS made previous long term poolies interview again. How long were they in the pool? Almost 3 years?


Hmmm......


Maybe they're trying to tell you something.

 

I don't think they're trying to tell him anything.

It is just the UPS pilot hiring way of (not) doing things and (not) communicating.

I doubt the decision has been made on what to do with the poolies.

The pilot HR office (hiring) has been empty for over a year.

It will probably be empty for a couple more, unfortunately.