steel

The fact of the matter is the replacements are picking up the dps. And while I agree we should focus on the individual and not the "replacement group", we all need to recognize from where these guys/gals are coming. They were able to hide from the peer pressure in Memphis, whereas now they will be treated appropriately. The word will get around, and it will eventually stop.

Don't forget who these clowns are and what they did to the entire crewmember group when flying/associating/flying a trip with them.

There is no excuse for picking these up.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone else!

fdxShark

Once again, focus on the individuals. Trip 25, 6 Dec, is being flown by a crew that has been in ANC greater than two years. If that's what you call a "replacement", so be it.

Happy Thanksgiving to everyone!

HazCan

***?? The Captain picked it up too. What a pair.

fdxShark

Yep. As I stated earlier, this CREW has been in ANC for over 2 years. Hardly worthy of the "replacement" label.

Perm11FO

As of right now, the CAP on ANC 25/6 Dec is still open. Still no excuse for the slug FO tho.

AFW_MD11

the CAP that picked this DP up "accidentally" successfully got rid of it.

the "slug" FO (your words not mine) that picked this DP up on a conflict makeup request "accidentally" because he "didn't know it was a DP" has not been successful (yet) in his attempts to drop/trade it - as he promised he would try to do when open time opened.

(even though there was an RFO trip sitting in open time for several days with the exact same footprint and 4 +/- more CH than the DP)

the FO really is a good dude but not "really a big union guy" - and this is the problem with the DP process (and most any union matter) and the FDX crew force (imho)

(again, imho) lots of retired mil guys who don't know (care?) much about unions and supporting the effort - just used to saluting smartly and doing their duty to the company that they are grateful that was willing to hire them for this nice second career in the first place - don't really want to do anything to jeopardize that good deal.

so, they don't really "pay all that much attention to all that union stuff"

then they end up asking for a DP because they weren't paying attention - and then they wonder why everyone jumps in their $h*t about it - "guess I'm not allowed to make a mistake"

it's the same scenario that repeats itself over and over again here.

not sure what, if anything, can be done about it except for the union and individuals continuing their efforts to educate

Unknown Rider

So now it's not the prior Memphis guys picking up DPs, it's the retired Military guys. Or is it just the prior Memphis retired Military guys? Wow, I wish we could decide which group is responsible for this so we can take care of this problem!

md11phlyer

Learning to count to 10 before posting. Woooosaaaaah.

AFW_MD11

to me - it's ALL the "I don't pay much attention to that union stuff" or the "I'm not a big 'union guy' " folks.

i stated that this was just my opinion and speaking from my perspective to begin with - i didn't do a scientific survey.

my thought is that if I did, it would probably reveal that most DPs that are picked up/not assigned to reserves (for whatever excuse/reason) are picked up by guys with mil backgrounds.

the majority of FDX pilots are ex-mil, retired mil, or still active Guard/Reserve mil. so it is a problem/sentiment that (imo) pervades the crew force.

is it a coincidence that FDX likes to hire ex-military guys (retired O-5+ especially) who are used to following (giving) orders and are, genuinely, happy to have been given this second career opportunity by Fred & FDX? I think not.

using this FO as an example - my point was that the percentages of the "I don't pay much attention to that union stuff" crowd that I've run across here at FDX who also "happen to be" retired active duty military is a disturbingly large percentage (from my perspective - & I am also mil - not retired yet)

conversely, I haven't ran across ANY (that I can recall) non-mil guys who would make those kind of statements or have that same sentiment "not a big union guy" or "don't pay that much attention to union stuff"

in any case.....like I also said.....it's an education thing. It's up to the union (and it's individual members) to educate their peers about the "union process"

the DP process is (imo again) one where the guys (military or civilian background) that "don't pay attention to union stuff" end up hurting us all the most.

fedupbusdriver

I just can't understand why anyone needs to classify a group of people who fly DP's. They are just selfish individuals looking out for number one. It doesn't matter what their background is, what domicile they are assigned or commute into, what religion they are, or their political affiliation. Why do we need to point at any single group of people other than the DP flyers themselves?