December Disputed Pairing already picked up!
12-03-2009, 12:22 PM
#41
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Originally Posted by fedupbusdriver
I just can't understand why anyone needs to classify a group of people who fly DP's. They are just selfish individuals looking out for number one. It doesn't matter what their background is, what domicile they are assigned or commute into, what religion they are, or their political affiliation. Why do we need to point at any single group of people other than the DP flyers themselves?
I'll go with your classification & group then - selfish individuals looking out for number one
that pretty much covers it - disregard all in my previous attempt to explain this behavioral problem
it is what it is
12-03-2009, 12:34 PM
#42
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I always give those who seek to understand why DP flyers do what they do some slack. No apologies are necessary. They are justifiably angry and are due answers. I hope we all approach DP flyers to get the scoop. They should expect the atmosphere of such conversations to be less than cordial.
12-03-2009, 01:00 PM
#43
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Does anyone know this F/O?
Just reviewed the latest MEC Message Line and reviewed the DP's.
FYI:
"In addition to publishing the disputed pairings flown each week, the SIG has requested that we publish the current and following month's disputed pairings."
Disputed Pairings Flown:
MD-11 MEM:
#1137 - 11/27, 11/30
#454 - 11/25, 11/30
#47 - 11/27
December Disputed Pairings:
MD-11 ANC:
25/Dec06
31/Dec20
LAX MD-11:
40/Dec10
40/Dec16
40/Dec17
40/Dec23
41/Dec15
41/Dec22
MD-11 MEM:
47/Dec26
454/Dec16
1137/Dec03
MEM A-300:
70/Dec07
70/Dec14
520/Dec27
543/Nov30
The F/O on these two trips 70/Dec07 and Dec 14 is the SAME GUY!
Thats just a quick look at his schedule for one month. I couldn't bring myself to look any further.
FYI:
"In addition to publishing the disputed pairings flown each week, the SIG has requested that we publish the current and following month's disputed pairings."
Disputed Pairings Flown:
MD-11 MEM:
#1137 - 11/27, 11/30
#454 - 11/25, 11/30
#47 - 11/27
December Disputed Pairings:
MD-11 ANC:
25/Dec06
31/Dec20
LAX MD-11:
40/Dec10
40/Dec16
40/Dec17
40/Dec23
41/Dec15
41/Dec22
MD-11 MEM:
47/Dec26
454/Dec16
1137/Dec03
MEM A-300:
70/Dec07
70/Dec14
520/Dec27
543/Nov30
The F/O on these two trips 70/Dec07 and Dec 14 is the SAME GUY!
Thats just a quick look at his schedule for one month. I couldn't bring myself to look any further.
12-03-2009, 02:10 PM
#44
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Originally Posted by AFW_MD11
to me - it's ALL the "I don't pay much attention to that union stuff" or the "I'm not a big 'union guy' " folks.
i stated that this was just my opinion and speaking from my perspective to begin with - i didn't do a scientific survey.
my thought is that if I did, it would probably reveal that most DPs that are picked up/not assigned to reserves (for whatever excuse/reason) are picked up by guys with mil backgrounds.
the majority of FDX pilots are ex-mil, retired mil, or still active Guard/Reserve mil. so it is a problem/sentiment that (imo) pervades the crew force.
is it a coincidence that FDX likes to hire ex-military guys (retired O-5+ especially) who are used to following (giving) orders and are, genuinely, happy to have been given this second career opportunity by Fred & FDX? I think not.
using this FO as an example - my point was that the percentages of the "I don't pay much attention to that union stuff" crowd that I've run across here at FDX who also "happen to be" retired active duty military is a disturbingly large percentage (from my perspective - & I am also mil - not retired yet)
conversely, I haven't ran across ANY (that I can recall) non-mil guys who would make those kind of statements or have that same sentiment "not a big union guy" or "don't pay that much attention to union stuff"
in any case.....like I also said.....it's an education thing. It's up to the union (and it's individual members) to educate their peers about the "union process"
the DP process is (imo again) one where the guys (military or civilian background) that "don't pay attention to union stuff" end up hurting us all the most.
i stated that this was just my opinion and speaking from my perspective to begin with - i didn't do a scientific survey.
my thought is that if I did, it would probably reveal that most DPs that are picked up/not assigned to reserves (for whatever excuse/reason) are picked up by guys with mil backgrounds.
the majority of FDX pilots are ex-mil, retired mil, or still active Guard/Reserve mil. so it is a problem/sentiment that (imo) pervades the crew force.
is it a coincidence that FDX likes to hire ex-military guys (retired O-5+ especially) who are used to following (giving) orders and are, genuinely, happy to have been given this second career opportunity by Fred & FDX? I think not.
using this FO as an example - my point was that the percentages of the "I don't pay much attention to that union stuff" crowd that I've run across here at FDX who also "happen to be" retired active duty military is a disturbingly large percentage (from my perspective - & I am also mil - not retired yet)
conversely, I haven't ran across ANY (that I can recall) non-mil guys who would make those kind of statements or have that same sentiment "not a big union guy" or "don't pay that much attention to union stuff"
in any case.....like I also said.....it's an education thing. It's up to the union (and it's individual members) to educate their peers about the "union process"
the DP process is (imo again) one where the guys (military or civilian background) that "don't pay attention to union stuff" end up hurting us all the most.
12-03-2009, 02:36 PM
#45
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Originally Posted by DLax85
After reading this post twice why am I having a Bayes' Theorem flashback?
Bayes' theorem - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
(sorry. i know i'm not the best at 'splainin' myself with the written word - it's all very logical to me before i start typing...)
12-03-2009, 06:50 PM
#46
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Originally Posted by fedupbusdriver
I just can't understand why anyone needs to classify a group of people who fly DP's. They are just selfish individuals looking out for number one. It doesn't matter what their background is, what domicile they are assigned or commute into, what religion they are, or their political affiliation. Why do we need to point at any single group of people other than the DP flyers themselves?
Some of us are like children who need to be "reminded" to follow the rules because others are watching; some are the "I've got mine" mindset; other examples abound. But at the end of the day, they picked up a DP. I don't care where they worked before, what they flew, who they know. They messed up and that's the end of it.
Let's stop attempting to group these individuals in a futile attempt to point a finger at a group. Let's point the finger at those guilty, and them alone.
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