FedEx to airlift medical aid to Haiti
01-16-2010, 09:51 AM
#22
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Originally Posted by HDawg
Charters from MEM to DEN and MIA to SDQ were in open time for about 3 secs yesterday, not sure who is flying it but those 11,000' runways at sea level in the Dominican Rep. are tricky, probably best if it's flown by our "pathfinder" pilots who don't eat or sleep
Is that tip of the spear flying or base of the shaft flying?
Is that tip of the spear flying or base of the shaft flying?
01-16-2010, 10:04 AM
#23
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Originally Posted by Chuck Turpen
They do it because they need someone they can rely upon to make it to move the plane without getting a deviation failure, or checking in for their trip that leaves from Denver while they are still snowbound in Detroit. They also need people that are smart enough to get rest whenever they can so that they can safely operate past when most of you would be whining to go to the hotel or stop the jet because you didn't get what you ordered on your catering.
These people in Haiti aren't going to be late on their house payment because of poor planning and 4A2b. They don't have homes. They aren't worried about what their daughters are going to drive to the preppy college this year. They are digging them out from under a pile of rubble.
When you need the TD you give the ball to the ones that perform.
These people in Haiti aren't going to be late on their house payment because of poor planning and 4A2b. They don't have homes. They aren't worried about what their daughters are going to drive to the preppy college this year. They are digging them out from under a pile of rubble.
When you need the TD you give the ball to the ones that perform.
01-16-2010, 11:00 AM
#24
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When I flew for the military....I did it for God and Country and there was no amount of money that would get me to do what I did.
Chuck.....I hate to break it to you, like FedEx Express.....most of the pilots on this property are a "For Profit" operation. With the exception of the Humanitarian donation efforts, we are not doing this to save lives, defend our country, or fend off disaster...........we do what we do to make the corporation (and shareholders) a pile of cash. Out of that pile of cash, we get a small portion of it. In return for that remuneration, we have the responsibility to abide by our contract and be good employees.
Is proper catering essential when someone's life is on the line? Can we find creative solutions to crew duty times when we are saving lives?......I think we all know the answer to that........and Chuck, most of us have lived it repeatedly.
I'd wager that nothing we do at FedEx covered under the CBA meets the criteria above. Those applying the "God and Country" standard to commercial operations are the victims of emotionalism, hubris, and poor judgement. They ought to have their own special paragraph in an Enders report.
Anyone in management who'd attempt to confuse performance levels required in life-saving contingency operations and daily "for-profit operations" (the goal... only to line the shareholder's pocket) is either stupid or disingenuous.
Rather than let you take your pick, I will assume your statements were made tongue-in-cheek, brought on by the snide remarks about management pilots. In which case, I will congratulate you for successfully stirring the pot.
Our requirements are not obstacles to FedEx profitability....they are essential to FedEx profitability......because without them....we don't go.....and if we weren't essential, then we wouldn't get more desperate calls at 0300 than Hillary Clinton.
Remember.....it is just business.....No buck....no Buck Rogers.
Chuck.....I hate to break it to you, like FedEx Express.....most of the pilots on this property are a "For Profit" operation. With the exception of the Humanitarian donation efforts, we are not doing this to save lives, defend our country, or fend off disaster...........we do what we do to make the corporation (and shareholders) a pile of cash. Out of that pile of cash, we get a small portion of it. In return for that remuneration, we have the responsibility to abide by our contract and be good employees.
Is proper catering essential when someone's life is on the line? Can we find creative solutions to crew duty times when we are saving lives?......I think we all know the answer to that........and Chuck, most of us have lived it repeatedly.
I'd wager that nothing we do at FedEx covered under the CBA meets the criteria above. Those applying the "God and Country" standard to commercial operations are the victims of emotionalism, hubris, and poor judgement. They ought to have their own special paragraph in an Enders report.
Anyone in management who'd attempt to confuse performance levels required in life-saving contingency operations and daily "for-profit operations" (the goal... only to line the shareholder's pocket) is either stupid or disingenuous.
Rather than let you take your pick, I will assume your statements were made tongue-in-cheek, brought on by the snide remarks about management pilots. In which case, I will congratulate you for successfully stirring the pot.
Our requirements are not obstacles to FedEx profitability....they are essential to FedEx profitability......because without them....we don't go.....and if we weren't essential, then we wouldn't get more desperate calls at 0300 than Hillary Clinton.
Remember.....it is just business.....No buck....no Buck Rogers.
Last edited by Laughing_Jakal; 01-16-2010 at 11:38 AM. Reason: Traded self-serving statements for brevity
01-16-2010, 11:13 AM
#25
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Originally Posted by Chuck Turpen
When you need the TD you give the ball to the ones that perform.
"When profit is not at stake........sub it out to the lowest bidder"
Last edited by Laughing_Jakal; 01-16-2010 at 11:37 AM.
01-16-2010, 01:25 PM
#26
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Chuck,
Every trip I have been assigned to at FedEx has moved on time and without “deviation failures”, in fact almost all of our flights do. Why, because that’s what I’m paid to do. I would refer to this as “reliable”. But since you made this statement as a FedEx Manager, I’m curious as to what you’re implying. If a crew believes that in the interest of safety the best choice would be to deviate to an alternate airport your telling us, and the rest of the public on this board, is that management at FedEx views this as a personal failure of the crew. Interesting to say the least.
If a crewmember has proven him or herself unreliable by way of late or no shows I suggest you discipline the individual, rather than hold the rest of us responsible for their actions. Or maybe we could set up some kind of phone tree where we could share the responsibility of giving pre alert calls for every pilot, every leg, and every flight.
You said, “They also need people that are smart enough to get rest whenever they can so they can safely operate past when most of you would be whining to go back to the hotel….” Is that per the findings of the Enders report? Or perhaps this is simply how management views the line pilots here. Oh, I get it. We are simply not smart enough to manage effectively. And not smart enough to know when we are too fatigued to perform safely. Do you realize as a manager how many people you just inspired to perform at their very minimum level of professionalism?
Poor planning? Your right it was poor planning on our part. We failed to plan ahead for 20% to 60% pay cuts, we failed to plan for family members with chronic deteriorating diseases, we failed to plan for malignant brain tumors, we failed to plan for multiple furloughs in as many years. We should have planed for the future, but then again, based on your argument they should have planed for a 7.0 earthquake. They clearly are not very smart.
Thanks for this glimpse into your character.
Every trip I have been assigned to at FedEx has moved on time and without “deviation failures”, in fact almost all of our flights do. Why, because that’s what I’m paid to do. I would refer to this as “reliable”. But since you made this statement as a FedEx Manager, I’m curious as to what you’re implying. If a crew believes that in the interest of safety the best choice would be to deviate to an alternate airport your telling us, and the rest of the public on this board, is that management at FedEx views this as a personal failure of the crew. Interesting to say the least.
If a crewmember has proven him or herself unreliable by way of late or no shows I suggest you discipline the individual, rather than hold the rest of us responsible for their actions. Or maybe we could set up some kind of phone tree where we could share the responsibility of giving pre alert calls for every pilot, every leg, and every flight.
You said, “They also need people that are smart enough to get rest whenever they can so they can safely operate past when most of you would be whining to go back to the hotel….” Is that per the findings of the Enders report? Or perhaps this is simply how management views the line pilots here. Oh, I get it. We are simply not smart enough to manage effectively. And not smart enough to know when we are too fatigued to perform safely. Do you realize as a manager how many people you just inspired to perform at their very minimum level of professionalism?
Poor planning? Your right it was poor planning on our part. We failed to plan ahead for 20% to 60% pay cuts, we failed to plan for family members with chronic deteriorating diseases, we failed to plan for malignant brain tumors, we failed to plan for multiple furloughs in as many years. We should have planed for the future, but then again, based on your argument they should have planed for a 7.0 earthquake. They clearly are not very smart.
Thanks for this glimpse into your character.
Last edited by Chunkylove; 01-16-2010 at 03:08 PM.
01-16-2010, 01:32 PM
#27
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Position: Retired MD11 Capt
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Chuck. Question. Did you draft this one in the office with a bunch of managers looking over your shoulder, or was it solo, nifok with a bag of cheetos?
Not much to choose between the two options, really. Equally credible.
Not much to choose between the two options, really. Equally credible.
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