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Old 02-08-2010 | 11:34 AM
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Reduction in force bid is already open guys!
Old 02-08-2010 | 11:36 AM
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Originally Posted by 320Driver
I assume all my MOU contributions are cancelled, and the open time ban is in effect.
Looks like EB can announce a ban.

13.k.9 It shall be a violation of this Agreement if the Association
engages in any action to encourage or suggest to its members
that they not pick up open time or decline junior available
assignments. This language shall not be applicable during a
time of furlough or furlough announcement
. Further, it shall be
a violation of this Agreement if any crewmember(s) takes any
action, individually or collectively, to discourage or interfere
with other crewmembers who desire to pick up open time or
accept junior available assignments. Nothing in the preceding
sentence shall limit an individual crewmember’s ability to voice
personal opinions.
Old 02-08-2010 | 12:23 PM
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HMMM, I guess mgmt isn't aloud to chime in.....

2003 all over again?
Old 02-08-2010 | 12:26 PM
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Reduction in force bid is already open guys!
That was fast. Guess this was "decided" some time ago.

What is gonna be more interesting is what happens with the management situation. UPS has always argued they need managers to "manage" the union pilots. Now that they are gonna have fewer union pilots, we need......___________(more or less) management pilots. Well you fill in the blank.

Wonder how that one will look in court?
Old 02-08-2010 | 12:46 PM
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Originally Posted by JustUnderPar
That was fast. Guess this was "decided" some time ago.

What is gonna be more interesting is what happens with the management situation. UPS has always argued they need managers to "manage" the union pilots. Now that they are gonna have fewer union pilots, we need......___________(more or less) management pilots. Well you fill in the blank.

Wonder how that one will look in court?

I think this has been planned for a while now. Act like your negotiating, wait till open time for bid period has been picked up, release video, press release reduction in force bid all in one hour. They want in our contract, end of story! They don't care about the MOU. They want something perminant and a lower starting point for negotiations in a few years. Going to be a very interesting year around this place.
Old 02-08-2010 | 12:50 PM
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DELETED.......... questions answered by EB email this afternoon

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Old 02-08-2010 | 01:08 PM
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Please post your thoughts on B&G which is more secure. There are plenty of kool aid drinking mangalers cruise this page. Your thoughts and action will be monitored by ups. If you want them guessing don't post here.
Old 02-08-2010 | 01:10 PM
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Brownie, the ones that matter read the B&G too.
Agree with your thoughts. Don't post anything that they can come at you with legally (here or B&G)
Old 02-08-2010 | 01:15 PM
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Originally Posted by SaltyDog
Don't post anything that they can come at you with legally (here or B&G)
good advice. for those of us not so bright, what might that include? thanks.
Old 02-08-2010 | 01:34 PM
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Originally Posted by Buck92
good advice. for those of us not so bright, what might that include? thanks.
Anything not in the contract, threats to those who don't support the EB and the rest of the union, personal job actions that one may take for the rest of their career, etc. UPS will watch like a hawk. Never incriminate oneself.
Can be 100% IPA and let the EB speak for us. That is what carries the day anyway.
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