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Quote: UPS is acting like a rabid dog that has been backed into a corner. Expect nothing rational and it to get very ugly. They have already come to the IPA asking for relief on this "open time" issue. I don't think the future is very bright for this airline.

I heard the same thing from the IPA side. I'll try to track down the source.

Essentially we are seeing a financial excercise turn into divorce proceedings, whereas; the endgame is now uncertain, both sides are going to hunker down with their positions of difference, and ill-will will become more and more galvanized the longer this accounting excercise continues.

Fair to say, the MOU presented savings and some unintended consequences. For instance, reduction in payroll headcount was offset by the high concentration of RDG participants in ANC causing a shortage of line holders and thus negating savings.

Taken one step further, UPS has never furloughed. This is uncharted waters for the airline segment. In conjunction, the mechanics (teamsters) are nearing impasse with the company which may be the driving force behind the "scramble" to open our collective bargaining agreement. In my opinion, they seek concessions in order to increase their counteroffer to our mechanics before an impasse is declared.

Coming full circle, this accounting excercise of "furlough" may produce savings but because it is a new event on the airline side the unintended consequences may produce a variety of expenses which may more than negate proposed savings. I acknowledge that we have more bodies than we have seats right now, however the MOU or other possible ideas show that there are creative ways aside of furlough to mitigate this that do not involve opening up the cba.

I speak only for myself in saying, to make money you need to spend money. If cost control is an issue; than issuing bonuses, reinstating raises and 401k matches, and raising dividends should commence after cost containment is complete as opposed to using jobs to finance them.

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Essentially we are seeing a financial excercise turn into divorce proceedings,..

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very well thought out analysis
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Quote: I heard the same thing from the IPA side. I'll try to track down the source.
bt confirmed it during a sdf gmm. he offered them to call off the furlough and there will be no more ot ban.
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Quote: I speak only for myself in saying, to make money you need to spend money. If cost control is an issue; than issuing bonuses, reinstating raises and 401k matches, and raising dividends should commence after cost containment is complete as opposed to using jobs to finance them.

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You cannot use logic here. It is UPS after-all.

Very good points of view. Gonna be interesting to see how this works out. Just over 2 weeks into the furlough "notice" and the company is looking for relief.....from the OT ban.

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Quote: You may have missed the bulletin, but they can't do both. In order to USE the RIF language, there must be a RIF.

Simply put, they will furlough.

"The last airline you'll ever work for" as I was told on day one, may be just that. With our illustrious leader's hopeful integration of the FQM's I may just be done. UPS will likely draw this one out as long as they can. Gotta love it.
I agree they will furlough. It has to happen to use the RIF. They need to use the RIF, else there will be TOO many training events (that is another story).

As far as the managers..er...Supervisors (because they are MISLABELED as managers by UPS) go. See how many are flying on the 400 and MD lately? This would not be happening if they followed our negotiated contract. There will be more to follow I am sure.

Be SAFE out there!!
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Quote: ups is not going to furlough anyone. they've got bigger fish to fry. china is not going to wait for them to get their sh*t together, so to speak.

ups knew that the new ipa president was going to go after the illegal managers so they announced a furlough as their only defense.

ups wasn't going to get any mou money anyway because they are about to be understaffed in more ways than one this coming year; rest rule changes, growth, new domicile, etc, and they wouldn't have been able to offer the reduced lines anymore.

mou1 bought them some time and saved them some money in overstaffing in 2009.

ups will complete the rif bid in order to get the remaining dc8 crews off of vacation and save themselves some training costs.

ups will also use the 170 bodies without seats to put where ever they want. probably in shenzhen.

in any case fellow ipa'ers, don't get all wound up, don't waste your time looking for new flying jobs, and don't take your eye off the ball.

ups will be trying to distract us all.
Maybe I'm not the only one who was a bit off prognosticating. You're forgiven though. Predicting what UPS is going to do using logic and common business sense never works.
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OK, time to come out of the closet. Fifteen years ago I represented Rob Dorsey and a few of his fellow FQSs (hell, we invented the term). I have offered, over and over, to represent IPA for the specific purpose of accreting the FQSs into IPS. I finally got an interview in March. Do you know hat your IPA said? "We can't get three votes in his favor." The rationale? "He might turn against us."

You don't have the counsel you need. The counsel you need is available. You can figure out the rest.
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Quote: "We can't get three votes in his favor." The rationale? "He might turn against us."
Who is "his & he" in the above quote?
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Quote: Who is "his & he" in the above quote?
I think it is Dorsey; but based on recent history, it might be Roberto.
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Quote: OK, time to come out of the closet. Fifteen years ago I represented Rob Dorsey and a few of his fellow FQSs (hell, we invented the term). I have offered, over and over, to represent IPA for the specific purpose of accreting the FQSs into IPS. I finally got an interview in March. Do you know hat your IPA said? "We can't get three votes in his favor." The rationale? "He might turn against us."

You don't have the counsel you need. The counsel you need is available. You can figure out the rest.
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