Xtwinbeechguy

Don't forget since the most junior of us were hired we got rid of the 727, 747 Classic fleet, and the DC-8 fleet. That left us a little overstaffed with no need for Engineers.
Not to mention the excess of 3 fleets of managers. Oh I forgot we have added one fleet so the Classic could be ignored for numbers purpses.

Soyathink

I have never seen so many conspiracy theorists all in one place before. I don't work for UPS. I have been around UPS all of my life, before UPS owned an aircraft. My father was with UPS over 35 years before they even served every state. He was in management. He would take me out to the airport when I was 12 and UPS started flying with 72's, DC-8, and 747's. Evergreen, Orion and Ryan I think were operating the aircraft then. The pilots were great and showed me around the flightdeck. I loved aviation ever since. Some of you here have lost touch with that. UPS was a hard place to work but rewarding. My father had enough to retire on but was too young then. He ended up working out a deal with them and resigned at 50. He said the company had changed. He was a manager and looked at things as work as a team and get things done. The people that he answered too just looked at numbers and figures. I asked him why he was retiring at 50 when there are guys still working in their 70's. He said it's their ego. He wants to be able to enjoy life and enjoy his grandkids. He was in the Pac rim and Europe while I was in highschool. (late 80's). I'm with you guys who may be furloughed. I lost my job the end of August. My wife just lost her job. Luckily instead of spending as much as we made we have some homes paid for including the one we live in. The others are rented bringing in income. I didn't need to be in this position and feel bitter about losing my job. It was a move just to keep shareholders happy at the expense of mine and other families. My point is UPS isn't the company it once was and needs to re-evaluate it's self. The over 60 guys who don't need the $$$$ for family health issues need to look at enjoying what they have and give others a chance at a career. The others probably think UPS caused the economy to fail just so they could furlough. I'll tell you something, back in the 1990's before my Dad retired he was proud to say UPS never laid off or furloughed. How would you like to be the one to tell somebody they no longer have a job. I feel nobody wants to see that. The economy, the over 60 guys and Atlanta kissing shareholder A$$ is what will furlough. The company going public is what ruined UPS culture. Now I need to go find a job.

Freightpuppy

Amen to that!

FR8TFLYER

If they fire any managers let's hope they start with the ones who were former IPA, I have no respect for any of those guys. Guys hired directly into management did not have a choice as fas as I know.

McBoeingBus

I'm not convinced that is true. 99% of the guys that were hired direct into management understood what they were doing. I knew some that went direct to management. IPA pilots tried to explain the differences and let them know what they were doing. I'd say that they all did it for money. Some for pure greed and they were too good for 30K/year. Some of the managers had families that they had to support or kids with special needs. I'd rather see the former IPA guys back first, at least they know both sides and gave the IPA a shot for a while. I'd bet that they would probably go back willingly. The direct management pilots had no intention of being in the IPA at all. If there is an integration, staple them all at the bottom.

Freighter Captain

There will never be an integration if roughly half the FQM's are axed here.

They'll be so scared (the ones remaining) that they'll be more aligned with UPS management than with any notions of joining a union like the IPA.

Forget integration.

To think UPS would release FQM's by date of hire is laughable. It's going to be a purge.

furloughman

Weatherman is correct. Take a deep breath and keep your eye on the ball boys and girls. Let's sit back and watch UPS stumble over themselves.

Tigerpilot1995

UPS is acting like a rabid dog that has been backed into a corner. Expect nothing rational and it to get very ugly. They have already come to the IPA asking for relief on this "open time" issue. I don't think the future is very bright for this airline.

Shaggy1970

Tiger,
Where did you hear about UPS asking for relief? Are these guys retarded?

brownie

Are these guys retarded?

Ahhhhhhh ya