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So are you a management stooge who fails to admit management plays favorites with non-union problem children and those who support management's agenda?
That kind of stuff is not unique to FedEx or the airlines, it happens all over corporate America. Come on, grow up. |
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Originally Posted by FDXFLYR
So are you a management stooge who fails to admit management plays favorites with non-union problem children and those who support management's agenda?
That kind of stuff is not unique to FedEx or the airlines, it happens all over corporate America. Come on, grow up. Yeah, I'm a management stooge, if that makes you feel better. Now, I'm still waiting. Give me one example where our management favored a non-union guy. By the way, how long you been here at FedEx. You're an F/O so you've either been here less than 5 years or you're sucking on the F/O teat way past the time you could have gone the the left seat. I gotta feeling you're one of the guys who start out every conversation by saying "we got a Union here at fedEx because the company was screwing us so bad. Fact of the matter is, you had nothing to do with us getting a Union here at FedEx. You would have sucked anything we asked you to to get this job. And you don't have any idea what mgmt does here, so ****! |
[QUOTE=fecav8r]Yeah, I'm a management stooge, if that makes you feel better.
By the way, how long you been here at FedEx. You're an F/O so you've either been here less than 5 years or you're sucking on the F/O teat way past the time you could have gone the the left seat. QUOTE] FYI, if everyone with 5 years or more bid Captain then the bottom Captain slot would be in the neighborhood of 8-10 years in the B727. That logic does not work. |
Originally Posted by fecav8r
Give me one example where our management favored a non-union guy. ........... You would have sucked anything we asked you to to get this job. And you don't have any idea what mgmt does here, so ****!
I'll give you one example............ Non Member MD-11 CAPT with the initials T.H. Deviated on a DH trip to FRA. He took a chance an took the last available commercial DH to FRA with no layover before operating his first revenue leg. He performed his final deviation check in (which the pilot affirms he is within 100 miles of revenue flight). He performed that in the AOC crew room in MEM. The company had the phone records. He only got a slap on the wrist. He not only violated the contract, He lied point blank, fasleified records and cost the company revenue because they had to cover his trip with someone else already in Europe and draft another to replace the first pilots trip............. Now let us Compare that to a Pilot (Union member) who denies a jumpseat to another Pilot (who happened to be a non member). He gets fired and loses over 9 months of pay after the arbitrator overuled MGT's harsh punishment. Do I agree that the jumpseater should have been bumped? No Was it the right thing to do? Probably not Was it a terminating Offense?? Defintiely not since it did not violate any FAR's or FOM. He should have been the one to get a slap on the wrist. Now the First Pilot TH , violated the FOM, the Contract and probably an FAR or two. Now I ask you FEC which one of the above was a more serious offense??. The rest of us already know the answer You asked for one example. I gave you just one. There are others. Very Senior MD11 CAPT with the intitals R.C don't call me Dick. How many times should he have been fired yet he is still here. And lets not forget my name is P don't call me P........talk to my hand puppet. As to your second point and your use of unprofessional language. The fact that a Pilot desires to stay senior as an FO and by-pass an upgrade(or two) is that pilot's personal choice, not yours. Afterall seniority is everything at this company. Why would you slam a pilot for making a choice to remain senior and enjoy more quality time with family. Your use of unprofessional language makes me question if you really part of FedEx MGT...............on second thought maybe you just answered your first question asking for an example of why Line pilots dislike and distrust MGT pilots. |
Originally Posted by fecav8r
Yeah, I'm a management stooge, if that makes you feel better. Now, I'm still waiting. Give me one example where our management favored a non-union guy. By the way, how long you been here at FedEx. You're an F/O so you've either been here less than 5 years or you're sucking on the F/O teat way past the time you could have gone the the left seat. I gotta feeling you're one of the guys who start out every conversation by saying "we got a Union here at fedEx because the company was screwing us so bad. Fact of the matter is, you had nothing to do with us getting a Union here at FedEx. You would have sucked anything we asked you to to get this job. And you don't have any idea what mgmt does here, so ****!
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Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
I'll give you one example............ Non Member MD-11 CAPT with the initials T.H. Deviated on a DH trip to FRA. He took a chance an took the last available commercial DH to FRA with no layover before operating his first revenue leg. He performed his final deviation check in (which the pilot affirms he is within 100 miles of revenue flight). He performed that in the AOC crew room in MEM. The company had the phone records. He only got a slap on the wrist. He not only violated the contract, He lied point blank, fasleified records and cost the company revenue because they had to cover his trip with someone else already in Europe and draft another to replace the first pilots trip............. Now let us Compare that to a Pilot (Union member) who denies a jumpseat to another Pilot (who happened to be a non member). He gets fired and loses over 9 months of pay after the arbitrator overuled MGT's harsh punishment. Do I agree that the jumpseater should have been bumped? No Was it the right thing to do? Probably not Was it a terminating Offense?? Defintiely not since it did not violate any FAR's or FOM. He should have been the one to get a slap on the wrist. Now the First Pilot TH , violated the FOM, the Contract and probably an FAR or two. Now I ask you FEC which one of the above was a more serious offense??. The rest of us already know the answer You asked for one example. I gave you just one. There are others. Very Senior MD11 CAPT with the intitals R.C don't call me Dick. How many times should he have been fired yet he is still here. And lets not forget my name is P don't call me P........talk to my hand puppet. As to your second point and your use of unprofessional language. The fact that a Pilot desires to stay senior as an FO and by-pass an upgrade(or two) is that pilot's personal choice, not yours. Afterall seniority is everything at this company. Why would you slam a pilot for making a choice to remain senior and enjoy more quality time with family. Your use of unprofessional language makes me question if you really part of FedEx MGT...............on second thought maybe you just answered your first question asking for an example of why Line pilots dislike and distrust MGT pilots. |
More than five and sucking
[QUOTE=fecav8r]Yeah, I'm a management stooge, Your an F/O so you've either been here less than 5 years or you're sucking on the F/O teat way past the time you could have gone the the left seat. ]
Somebody has to fly one leg day flights and somebody has to do 3/4 leg hub turns. Choice is a wonderful thing. |
Originally Posted by FoxHunter
T.H. was reported because he was a non-member. If a member had done the same thing nothing would ever been said. :rolleyes:
Remember a couple years ago when a NON member CAPT denied a staging FO (member) jumpseating from TPA into a trip. When the FO was going to miss his trip so he called in sick..........he got a few days off (without pay) to spend with his family. But then again I remember a former SCP who taxied off the end of the runway. His FO was also in mgt (non member)......nothing happened to either one of them. I also remember a former ACP MGT guy S.M. (Gee another Non Member.......is there a pattern here?) who is now a duty officer........flew across CUBA through the Giron corridor squawking 7500. Nothing happened to him either.......he did leave MGT to accept a duty officer position. I could go on and on............ |
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Originally Posted by fecav8r
Yeah, I'm a management stooge, Your an F/O so you've either been here less than 5 years or you're sucking on the F/O teat way past the time you could have gone the the left seat. ]
Somebody has to fly one leg day flights and somebody has to do 3/4 leg hub turns. Choice is a wonderful thing. |
Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
Very Senior MD11 CAPT with the intitals R.C don't call me Dick. How many times should he have been fired yet he is still here.
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