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MD11Fr8Dog 07-21-2006 04:21 PM


Originally Posted by FoxHunter
T.H. was reported because he was a non-member. If a member had done the same thing nothing would ever been said. :rolleyes:


Actually, it had nothing to with member/nonmember issues. It was other issues that he wasn't fired!

MD11Fr8Dog 07-21-2006 04:24 PM


Originally Posted by RedeyeAV8r
I also remember a former ACP MGT guy S.M. (Gee another Non Member.......is there a pattern here?) who is now a duty officer........flew across CUBA through the Giron corridor squawking 7500. Nothing happened to him either.......he did leave MGT to accept a duty officer position.

I could go on and on............


What about J.D.'s BQN low pass for "tactical" reasons. He wasn't fired either!

FoxHunter 07-21-2006 06:18 PM


Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog
Actually, it had nothing to with member/nonmember issues. It was other issues that he wasn't fired!

He was turned in only because he was a non-member.:D

2dotslow 07-21-2006 06:36 PM


Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog
I've done a couple of PCs with that guy, a real piece of work! At one point as I was running the Eng Fire/Severe Damage checklist on an eng out into ANC (in the sim) he barked at me to "Shut the hell up, I'm trying to fly over here." So I slammed the QRH closed, place it precisely on the center console, lowered my seat all the way down, moved it full aft, fully reclined it and sat back with my arms crossed and let him single pilot it into ANC! The LCA just shook his head and grinned!

The lack of professionalism on both sides of this particular member/non-member sim issue should make all of us glad you're only flying boxes around. The best we can hope for is that our homes are nowhere near a FedEx flightpath.:rolleyes:

BrownGirls YUM 07-21-2006 07:16 PM


Originally Posted by fecav8r
You would have sucked anything we asked you to to get this job.

Well, if this guy really is management, we know exactly what he sucked to get that job!;)

MD11Fr8Dog 07-21-2006 07:47 PM


Originally Posted by 2dotslow
The lack of professionalism on both sides of this particular member/non-member sim issue should make all of us glad you're only flying boxes around. The best we can hope for is that our homes are nowhere near a FedEx flightpath.:rolleyes:


You know nothing about the guy in question, or his history, and it had nothing to do with him being a member or nonmember - I save that stuff for the layover or after the trip is over - he was just an ass, as every on property knows. As far as being near a FedEx flight path, you never will be, unless your car wash is near an airport!

FR8Hauler 07-21-2006 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by 2dotslow
The lack of professionalism on both sides of this particular member/non-member sim issue should make all of us glad you're only flying boxes around. The best we can hope for is that our homes are nowhere near a FedEx flightpath.:rolleyes:

OK 2dotslow. You are another one who likes to raise your ugly head from time to time. Maybe your email callsign says something about your aviation abilities.

2dotslow 07-21-2006 08:11 PM


Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog
You know nothing about the guy in question, or his history, and it had nothing to do with him being a member or nonmember - I save that stuff for the layover or after the trip is over - he was just an ass, as every on property knows. As far as being near a FedEx flight path, you never will be, unless your car wash is near an airport!

FR8Hauler

OK 2dotslow. You are another one who likes to raise your ugly head from time to time. Maybe your email callsign says something about your aviation abilities.
Touchy bunch of FedEx PROfessionals I see. Fr8Dog, the point was not the guy in question. It was the lack of professionalism in both seats that I remarked about. As to my car wash, the FAA could give only you an age-100 rule, and you wouldn't come close to my aviation experiences. Fr8Hauler...I've said it before, you're a co-pilot. OK? When you finally get a fourth bar people might take you seriously. Until then...just read the checklist when it's called for.

MD11Fr8Dog 07-21-2006 08:24 PM


Originally Posted by 2dotslow
Fr8Dog, the point was not the guy in question. It was the lack of professionalism in both seats that I remarked about. As to my car wash, the FAA could give only you an age-100 rule, and you wouldn't come close to my aviation experiences.

'slow I'm not touchy about this at all, the point is, the guy in question has a history of being an ass, has been to charm school more times than Pygmalia, has been busted back to FO (co-pilot for you), and still continued to be an ass. The point is, if he treated me in the plane like he did during the sim period, we would never have left the gate and either he would have gotten someone else to "just read the checklist when its called for!" or I would have gotten someone else "to call for the checklists!" In just my 20 plus years of avation experience (would another 55 added to my 21 equal your 38? Is this where I'm supposed to bow down to you?) I have never treated a co-pilot/FO (or anyone under my command) as not part of the "crew", and I would hope that in the future, if I ever did, I would be called on the carpet for it!

Hmmm, never had any CRM training in your 100yrs of aviation, eh?

2dotslow 07-21-2006 09:05 PM


Originally Posted by MD11Fr8Dog
'slow I'm not touchy about this at all, the point is, the guy in question has a history of being an ass, has been to charm school more times than Pygmalia, has been busted back to FO (co-pilot for you), and still continued to be an ass. The point is, if he treated me in the plane like he did during the sim period, we would never have left the gate and either he would have gotten someone else to "just read the checklist when its called for!" or I would have gotten someone else "to call for the checklists!" In just my 20 plus years of avation experience (would another 55 added to my 21 equal your 38? Is this where I'm supposed to bow down to you?) I have never treated a co-pilot/FO (or anyone under my command) as not part of the "crew", and I would hope that in the future, if I ever did, I would be called on the carpet for it!

Hmmm, never had any CRM training in your 100yrs of aviation, eh?

'Dog Maybe your sharp looking smoke goggles are just fogged-over. It's 'low...2 dots low, 2 dots below glidepath...get it. I wasn't talking about a guy...no matter how much of an ass he may be. I was talking about a professional environment, and your particular handling of an evidently hard case in the other seat. As to the bowing down crap, maybe you think my car wash is somehow less impressive than your trash hauler command. I don't. And, FWIW, CRM is a panacea for training department whimsy. It varies from airline to airline, and from crew to crew. The procedural emphasis is fine, but the real environment involves a hell of a lot more than concepts of how something as dynamic as the flightdeck is supposed to be managed. You know, personalities, attitudes, experience, proficiency, stuff like that. Forget my 100 years...ask yourself, how was the CRM that day in the box?


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