FDX - JP's E-Mail
04-11-2010 | 08:53 PM
#41
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The day after I returned to MEM, I had an email from one of the Flight Ops Specialists to contact my ACP. I contacted ALPA and they coordinated the whole event, including getting the WAV files of my phone calls with the DO. They listened, my ACP listened, then a day or two later we had a 3 way conf. call. I told my reasoning for my decision. My ACP thought I made a good call and that was the end of it. It wasn't really contentious like the calls with the DO were. When asked what I would do differently, I said I would use the "F" word sooner in the conversations with the DO (truth be told, I never actually used it since the questioning from the DO was so accusatory in nature). It would have made 2 of my phone calls unnecessary and all the conversation trying to get me to take the flight would have ceased. Other side of the coin, once you use the "F" word, you can't really take it back either! 
04-12-2010 | 04:50 AM
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As a follow up, shortly after you refusal of said trip, we received an email from Orlando stating that "we" needed to show up for any duty period rested & ready to work a 16 hour day (paraphrasing).
Also....I'm starting to think every email we receive from our SCP will always have the company "disclaimer" that if you call in Fatigued, there will be an investigation.
Oh, and don't always count on the WAV calls...the system has been known to be down for a few days.....
Also....I'm starting to think every email we receive from our SCP will always have the company "disclaimer" that if you call in Fatigued, there will be an investigation.
Oh, and don't always count on the WAV calls...the system has been known to be down for a few days.....
04-12-2010 | 06:50 AM
#44
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Does anyone else find it ironic that over the last decade, at least, as our safety record has deteriorated, the person in charge of our airline's safety department, E. Ly..s has continued to be promoted? He began with JP's job and now he is a Managing Director. We are threatened with 3 months off and he gets promoted.
04-12-2010 | 07:25 AM
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Does anyone else find it ironic that over the last decade, at least, as our safety record has deteriorated, the person in charge of our airline's safety department, E. Ly..s has continued to be promoted? He began with JP's job and now he is a Managing Director. We are threatened with 3 months off and he gets promoted.
Mark
04-12-2010 | 07:32 AM
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From: B-777 Captain
Gentlemen:
There is a difference flying tired and flying fatigued. I have done both, but never again will I fly fatigued. These idiots in futures make up these crazy schedules and were dumb enough to keep flying them. We need to grow a pair. Our problem is that our crews are being pushed to the limit and are constantly flying tired and in a fatigued status. Maybe you guys in management would know that, except you never fly the real line.
I, for one, will have no problem making the "F" call if and when I have to stand before Fred then "OR" can take the blame for losing the revenue of a fully loaded MD-11. I've come up in the ranks for the last 20 years and I think our pilots are outstanding. I've flown every aircraft we've ever owned except the 747 and the Falcon. I've been to every place we fly to with the exception of some off-beat charters. Our pilots get the job done day in and day out.
But you "cubical commandos" would not really know that ,because you've never flown the "real line." Instead, you seem content to change a procedure each and every month. By the way, an out back to Atlanta is not the real grind. Now you knuckleheads come up with this hair-brained idea of hand-flying more just to save your arses. The MD-11 was not designed that way. I can just see it now hand flown Cat-2, no auto-throttles, just because we have a HUD. Wait untill we have a crunch that way.
While I have no problem if junior wants to hand-fly, there is a time and a place for everything. Doing the Narita reversal in weather with a lot of traffic or launching out of CAN with the language problems is not the best time to show me that you can follow the command bars. But you management guys would not really know that because you don't fly the line.
Maybe we should have the 777 crews hand-fly at cruise to keep up their skills; 14 hour flights, plenty of time for every one to get a crack at the controls. We have all these rules/regs/mel's to protect the crews/flights and yet we have to constantly explain ourselves when we stop the flight due to crossing one of these thresholds. I'm tired of explaining why I pushed late but still got the freight there on time or before schedule block. It's because we pilot are getting the job done.
You guys in management would not know that, because you never fly the real line day in and day out over and over. FATAGUE, FATAGUE, FATAGUE. Frankly, "OR," you're an embarrasment to the crew force. You worry about ties, shoes, and jackets which you authorized. You're the Chief Pilot of a Fortune 500 company for heaven's sake with a lousy safety record. Look in the mirror before you crap on another crew member. Oh, and if you get a chance come fly the real line for a month or two.
There is a difference flying tired and flying fatigued. I have done both, but never again will I fly fatigued. These idiots in futures make up these crazy schedules and were dumb enough to keep flying them. We need to grow a pair. Our problem is that our crews are being pushed to the limit and are constantly flying tired and in a fatigued status. Maybe you guys in management would know that, except you never fly the real line.
I, for one, will have no problem making the "F" call if and when I have to stand before Fred then "OR" can take the blame for losing the revenue of a fully loaded MD-11. I've come up in the ranks for the last 20 years and I think our pilots are outstanding. I've flown every aircraft we've ever owned except the 747 and the Falcon. I've been to every place we fly to with the exception of some off-beat charters. Our pilots get the job done day in and day out.
But you "cubical commandos" would not really know that ,because you've never flown the "real line." Instead, you seem content to change a procedure each and every month. By the way, an out back to Atlanta is not the real grind. Now you knuckleheads come up with this hair-brained idea of hand-flying more just to save your arses. The MD-11 was not designed that way. I can just see it now hand flown Cat-2, no auto-throttles, just because we have a HUD. Wait untill we have a crunch that way.
While I have no problem if junior wants to hand-fly, there is a time and a place for everything. Doing the Narita reversal in weather with a lot of traffic or launching out of CAN with the language problems is not the best time to show me that you can follow the command bars. But you management guys would not really know that because you don't fly the line.
Maybe we should have the 777 crews hand-fly at cruise to keep up their skills; 14 hour flights, plenty of time for every one to get a crack at the controls. We have all these rules/regs/mel's to protect the crews/flights and yet we have to constantly explain ourselves when we stop the flight due to crossing one of these thresholds. I'm tired of explaining why I pushed late but still got the freight there on time or before schedule block. It's because we pilot are getting the job done.
You guys in management would not know that, because you never fly the real line day in and day out over and over. FATAGUE, FATAGUE, FATAGUE. Frankly, "OR," you're an embarrasment to the crew force. You worry about ties, shoes, and jackets which you authorized. You're the Chief Pilot of a Fortune 500 company for heaven's sake with a lousy safety record. Look in the mirror before you crap on another crew member. Oh, and if you get a chance come fly the real line for a month or two.
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04-12-2010 | 08:27 AM
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04-12-2010 | 09:08 AM
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Does anyone else find it ironic that over the last decade, at least, as our safety record has deteriorated, the person in charge of our airline's safety department, E. Ly..s has continued to be promoted? He began with JP's job and now he is a Managing Director. We are threatened with 3 months off and he gets promoted.
04-12-2010 | 10:08 AM
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From: B767 Capt
Well said JetJocF14!
Every time I have flown with a management pilot it was an afternoon to CLT or MSP with good weather or a sweet hub turn to MSY or MCI.
You will never see a management pilot flying a 5 day night hub trip with 2 am legs out of a hub.
Every time I have flown with a management pilot it was an afternoon to CLT or MSP with good weather or a sweet hub turn to MSY or MCI.
You will never see a management pilot flying a 5 day night hub trip with 2 am legs out of a hub.
04-12-2010 | 10:39 AM
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(pretty sure no one here has that as a screen name)FLMD
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