FDX - The financial impact of 4.a.2.b
05-04-2010, 03:29 PM
#41
Gets Weekends Off
Joined APC: Feb 2010
Position: Socket Drawer
Posts: 1,797
Well, we will just have to disagree. In my opinion, they could absofrickinlutely
give a rats arse what any of us think or feel about them, and will screw you any chance that they get to save a penny.
give a rats arse what any of us think or feel about them, and will screw you any chance that they get to save a penny.
05-04-2010, 03:52 PM
#42
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Joined APC: Nov 2006
Position: 767 FO
Posts: 8,047
Originally Posted by drftddgr
did/will any of the 181k come from draft or other form of extra flying? not saying, just asking. if it did......
if not.....
if not.....
Originally Posted by 990Convair
Just got my Pension Plan statement which shows pensionable earnings of your high five.
Coincidentally, the last 5 years where my high five where I sat in the following seats:
B727 Capt 2 years
MD11 Capt 3 years
Now, I've been bumped out of the MD11.....here's the data on how 4.a.2.b. has stuck it to some of us. In my case:
2004 - B727 Capt - $175,000
2005 - B727 Capt - $207,000
2006 - MD11 Capt - $257,000
2007 - MD11 Capt - $244,000
2008 - MD11 Capt - 249,000
And, under 4.a.2.b. this year is shaping up to be $181,000.
That's a reserve B757 Capt that does ZERO carryover/make-up. I am interested to know what impact this "stealing" has had on others.
It's time for the company to do the right thing and exit 4.a.2.b. Some of us have taken a HUGE hit. I for one understand more than ever what being "junior" on an airplane means and I will NEVER do it again. Right seat wide-body here I come.
Coincidentally, the last 5 years where my high five where I sat in the following seats:
B727 Capt 2 years
MD11 Capt 3 years
Now, I've been bumped out of the MD11.....here's the data on how 4.a.2.b. has stuck it to some of us. In my case:
2004 - B727 Capt - $175,000
2005 - B727 Capt - $207,000
2006 - MD11 Capt - $257,000
2007 - MD11 Capt - $244,000
2008 - MD11 Capt - 249,000
And, under 4.a.2.b. this year is shaping up to be $181,000.
That's a reserve B757 Capt that does ZERO carryover/make-up. I am interested to know what impact this "stealing" has had on others.
It's time for the company to do the right thing and exit 4.a.2.b. Some of us have taken a HUGE hit. I for one understand more than ever what being "junior" on an airplane means and I will NEVER do it again. Right seat wide-body here I come.
05-04-2010, 05:36 PM
#44
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Joined APC: Jul 2007
Position: Hanging on....
Posts: 29
Originally Posted by Jetjok
I'm interested in knowing what impact your insensitivity to others situations in this industry has had on their impressions of FedEx pilots. I'd bet it can't be good.
JJ
JJ
05-04-2010, 06:00 PM
#45
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Joined APC: Sep 2006
Posts: 62
Convair,
I agree, there is no reason to apologize for what you make. I agree with the overall point of your post. Also, you make informative and useful posts 99.9 percent of the time. Most of us just question your judgement in posting those salary numbers.
When I was a military officer, my pay rate was free for anyone to see, but I didn't talk about what I made with NCOs or junior enlisted. Like someone mentioned earlier, percentages would have been just as effective.
I agree, there is no reason to apologize for what you make. I agree with the overall point of your post. Also, you make informative and useful posts 99.9 percent of the time. Most of us just question your judgement in posting those salary numbers.
When I was a military officer, my pay rate was free for anyone to see, but I didn't talk about what I made with NCOs or junior enlisted. Like someone mentioned earlier, percentages would have been just as effective.
05-04-2010, 06:03 PM
#46
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Posts: 1,224
Hdriver,
You shouldn't feel bad for what you make. You just don't have to tell everyone about it. He could have just said he took a 30% 4.a.2.b haircut. We would understand. Anyway, it didn't bother me, but did others. I think he was trying to make a point, and it got lost due to people having a come apart over the amount of money he made. I get the point.
We took it in the shorts over 4.a.2.b. It would be a good rallying point for negotiations.... I get it....
You shouldn't feel bad for what you make. You just don't have to tell everyone about it. He could have just said he took a 30% 4.a.2.b haircut. We would understand. Anyway, it didn't bother me, but did others. I think he was trying to make a point, and it got lost due to people having a come apart over the amount of money he made. I get the point.
We took it in the shorts over 4.a.2.b. It would be a good rallying point for negotiations.... I get it....
05-04-2010, 06:04 PM
#47
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Joined APC: Oct 2008
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Posts: 472
Originally Posted by HDriver
He is not looking for sympathy just stating a fact how the company took money from your wallets to someones else's. The one thing that you should never ever do is feel bad for what kind of money you make. We all worked hard for it and deserve every damn dime. If you factor in REAL inflation you are actually losing money ever year. Just look at a CO's salary...... I am at UPS and about to get laid off and I am glad you made that kind of money. I have no bad impressions of Fed Ex guys at all. Enough of the PC Bu***it.
05-04-2010, 06:55 PM
#48
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Joined APC: Jun 2007
Position: "Part of the problem." : JL
Posts: 1,053
A few things the PC boys seem to have missed:
I've never met anyone who's overpaid for doing their job.
You don't get what you're worth; You get what you negotiate.
The OPs use of actual dollar amounts are well within reason.
I've never met anyone who's overpaid for doing their job.
You don't get what you're worth; You get what you negotiate.
The OPs use of actual dollar amounts are well within reason.
05-04-2010, 06:58 PM
#49
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Joined APC: Oct 2006
Position: Zeppelin Tail Gunner
Posts: 1,530
Originally Posted by 990Convair
That's a reserve B757 Capt that does ZERO carryover/make-up. I am interested to know what impact this "stealing" has had on others.
It's time for the company to do the right thing and exit 4.a.2.b. Some of us have taken a HUGE hit. I for one understand more than ever what being "junior" on an airplane means and I will NEVER do it again. Right seat wide-body here I come.
It's time for the company to do the right thing and exit 4.a.2.b. Some of us have taken a HUGE hit. I for one understand more than ever what being "junior" on an airplane means and I will NEVER do it again. Right seat wide-body here I come.
05-04-2010, 07:18 PM
#50
Ok, No more sleeping Dog
Joined APC: Feb 2007
Position: MD-11, F/O
Posts: 889
You get what you negotiate. Stating what you got is fine. It's not news that FDX guys get more now, it's their time in the sun. 7-8 yrs ago it was the United Guys....so what.......anyone who takes issue with a guy who is lamenting a loss is just petty and jealous...sorry .....thats what it is. All of our pay scales are a matter of public record...duh....no surprise there....quit the PC crap. If you are not mature enough to see and address realities then maybe you shouldn't have an ATP. I don't begrudge Fred or Bill Gates or Bloomberg or anyone else their fruits. it's all about what you negotiate or build or demand or create. Thats all.
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