There is no denying that 900 (In practice about 6 per F/O) hours of the July 727 flying schedule have been pulled out of July and given to pilots senior enough to hold it in June. Tell me what political philosophy supports that? C/O is simply a method the company and the union have devised to skirt around the 13 hour limit between high and low lines and fatten the wallets of the greedy among us.

To me the senior guys are the democrats using regulations to fatten their wallets and appease their various special voting blocks by stealing from the middle class.

Now counter my arguments with out making an Ad Hominem attack.

This is the funniest thing you've ever posted.

Do you mean 50 from the bottom of the top 40%?

"That's an entirely different type of flying, altogether!"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ymMBE...eature=related


The junior guys are Democrats? Every responsible FDX pilot I know wants everyone to get at least guarantee ASAP.

Now that is an idea that may make sense, especially when applied to DFT and VLT.

So when a senior guy flies extra (using the rules voted in by the entire membership) he is stealing from the poor junior democrates? Read back through months on APC, junior guys are all over more senior guys for using contractual rules to make more money. I just think we'll all be senior someday and will have the options that the they have now.
But, the lower third want the upper third to sit on their hands to force the company to raise the average pay for the entire airline.
And not a one of them voted for Obama, wonder why?

What's a demo-crate... sounds like something on the haz pallet

Nice, a partial quote; I guess you have no comment on why we are supposed to have a 13 hour split between high and low line or how everyone else in the 72 is giving up 6 hours a month (extending 4A2b no doubt) so 30 guys can fly an extra 30 hours every month. You are the one who tried to bring idiotic political comparisons to the argument.

As far as your comment about votes of the membership, no one said it was illegal. Read the 1st post again the guy asked for opinions on C/O. I think it is stupid to let 25% of the membership have unlimited blg and you can't wait till your senior enough to fly 120 hours a month. So we answered his question and told him the two general opinions on C/O.

This is a ridiculous thread. Carryover is only a problem for the short term due to 4.a.2.b. Differences between fleets/seats is now being addressed. We are getting near our contractual BLGs.

There will always be some carryover. We don't stop flying at the end of month. We could institute a cap system. Many of us have been at airlines that had monthly caps, and I am not in favor of caps at all.

I believe our next contract will definitely address 4.a.2.b. We need to he careful what we wish for, I think there was a very good chance we would have furloughed if not for this. Carryover allows Fedex the ability to use less pilots. This is good, in a way, to also help absorb different levels of flying throughout the year.

Why is it that many here are so worried about other people's 'good deals'? We are all very close to our Blgs. We will all have the ability to be senior and will have the oppotunity to bid carryover lines. I don't fly carryover, but this is by choice. Some people fly carryover. Big deal. Our contract limits the spread between high/low lines. Carryover essentially allows a higher spread. It's not like the guys that bid these lines don't work for it. If these guys work 25 days/month they'll live a short life. Maybe that could make you guys happy. If you can't bid carryover, hawk open time and pick up a trip. If you can hold a line, you can go +12 even if you have no make up bank.

Will the guy here who thinks that the company can eliminate C/O please stand up.



No one stood up. We all realize that flying does not stop on the last day of the bid month. Can we put that argument away. We all agree some lines must span the bid months, but the company takes advantage of this and purposely schedules max C/O when they don't have to.

Speaking for myself, I am not worried about anyone's good deal. I am senior enough in my seat to get C/O and I do. Someones good deal is not my concern until his good deal impact my opportunities. You see, I am worried about my bad deals. If the 727 does not make min blg in July it will be because of 800+ hours of C/O in the june bid pack. That could force us to stay in 4A2b longer.

I also do not bid reserve because all the guys who bid C/O start the month with a leveling advantage over me. Not only do they get paid for flying extra they get a leveling advantage. Explain that to me please.

I do not bid VTO because the guys that get C/O get to cherry pick the vto trips. Not only do they bring home more money they get to do it on the best trips. Explain that one to me.

Again this is not about what is contractually permitted, this is about what should be contractually permitted.

V/R

LAG (who is hoping some day to be senior enough to fly 120 hours a month but also hopes he doesnt have to)

Seniority.

FDXLAG,

I believe there was a significant gripe with carryover when the lines were greatly different between fleets/seats. This isn't really the case now. BLGs are getting close to minimum contractual levels. I agree, it sucked for some to get 100+ hours a month while others got in the 50s. I thought at that time that the hour disparity was wrong. I think that carryover should have been limited when this was going on.

I hate to say it, but I agree with Foxhunter. If you choose to be senior in your seat, you can bid however you like. If you see that bidding reserve + carryover is a good deal, then bid it. If you want to cherry pick trips, then bid carryover. If you can't hold it now, you will in the future. You either have (or will have) the opportunity to be the guy with those choices.

4.a.2.b. is a blip on the screen. I believe it will be over soon, simply to keep up with increased flying. I strongly believe this section of our contract will be altered greatly or simply taken out. I don't know where you stand, but personally, I'd rather take a hours cut than furlough our junior pilots. Lets think long term here.

Carryover may or may not be a good deal for you. I choose to spend more time at home rather than chase the dollar. That's my deal, but if you choose to fly 100 hours/month, it's your life. All I am "entitled to" is 68/85. I think we will get back to that level soon. Even now there are open time trips to boost your pay if you choose to take them. I realize they are hard to find, but with a little patience we could all find something.

I don't think carryover or working more than BLG is "working overtime at straight pay". It is just working over the contractual minimum. I really like our system of being able to work without monthly caps. Instead of working 70 hours a month, it is nice to work 80 hours some months and 50 the next.

I could live with very limited carryover since I never bid it. I just hope we don't get to instituting monthly caps. I just don't have a problem with senior people getting the opportunity to enhance their pay/schedule (now that we have the new LOA). We all will have the opportunity to do the same.