FDX-Pilot Math (Vacation)
10-21-2010 | 12:49 PM
#11
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Thanks Popeye,
So I can expand my 42 hours of vacation to conflict 60 hours. Even though the contract says:
7.E.3.b. A vacation expansion shall not cause a vacation conflict that exceeds the credit hour value of the original vacation period by more than 6 CH. All days in the expanded vacation period shall be consecutive.
So I can expand my 42 hours of vacation to conflict 60 hours. Even though the contract says:
7.E.3.b. A vacation expansion shall not cause a vacation conflict that exceeds the credit hour value of the original vacation period by more than 6 CH. All days in the expanded vacation period shall be consecutive.
10-21-2010 | 02:26 PM
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Lag,
If you can expand your vacation to touch a long trip, there is no limit to how much vacation time you burn. If it is more than what you have in your bank for 2010, you will be docked that time from next year's vacation. If you have a string of 6 CH trips, the system will only permit you to use one extra vacation day (6CH) over what you have for the end of NOV. If you have 8 days, you can burn 9 days regardless how many hours you have left in your vacation bank.
I hope this helps. I lost 10 CHs a few years ago and I am still steamed at myself.
If you can expand your vacation to touch a long trip, there is no limit to how much vacation time you burn. If it is more than what you have in your bank for 2010, you will be docked that time from next year's vacation. If you have a string of 6 CH trips, the system will only permit you to use one extra vacation day (6CH) over what you have for the end of NOV. If you have 8 days, you can burn 9 days regardless how many hours you have left in your vacation bank.
I hope this helps. I lost 10 CHs a few years ago and I am still steamed at myself.
Expansion and slide are two separate events. Expansion is limited to +6CH, period end of story. Slide, with some minor holiday month exceptions, has no CH limit.
10-21-2010 | 04:12 PM
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Thanks Popeye,
So I can expand my 42 hours of vacation to conflict 60 hours. Even though the contract says:
7.E.3.b. A vacation expansion shall not cause a vacation conflict that exceeds the credit hour value of the original vacation period by more than 6 CH. All days in the expanded vacation period shall be consecutive.
So I can expand my 42 hours of vacation to conflict 60 hours. Even though the contract says:
7.E.3.b. A vacation expansion shall not cause a vacation conflict that exceeds the credit hour value of the original vacation period by more than 6 CH. All days in the expanded vacation period shall be consecutive.
Oops, re-read you question, not expand to do that, but you can slide to do it!
10-22-2010 | 02:54 AM
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Why dont you sell your vacation back to the Company. Or if your seat doesnt allow it, just call them up. I am sure it would be a big help to them now with peak coming up and, with contract negotiations in progress, it would show goodwill from the pilots. 
10-22-2010 | 08:03 AM
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WARNING!!!
There are BIG differences between what you can do with vacation on a hard line vs. a reserve line. You asked about bidding vacation with a RESERVE line and people are giving you techniques that would only work with a hard line, so be careful!
For example, reserve line holders may not EXPAND their vacation, they may only EXTEND their vacation by the days calculated in that formula. If you have 7 days of vacation and you bid a RESERVE line, then you have a choice between 7 and 10 days of vacation. If you elect to EXTEND it to the maximum 10 days, then your bank will be docked 10 x 4:36 or about 46 hours. That is it! Since there are 15 R days in NOV, you would owe 5 R days. If you want to knock out more hours than that, you will need to bid a hard line, and then you would be able to use some of the techniques described above.
Try the search feature, this has been asked and answered many times before.
There are BIG differences between what you can do with vacation on a hard line vs. a reserve line. You asked about bidding vacation with a RESERVE line and people are giving you techniques that would only work with a hard line, so be careful!
For example, reserve line holders may not EXPAND their vacation, they may only EXTEND their vacation by the days calculated in that formula. If you have 7 days of vacation and you bid a RESERVE line, then you have a choice between 7 and 10 days of vacation. If you elect to EXTEND it to the maximum 10 days, then your bank will be docked 10 x 4:36 or about 46 hours. That is it! Since there are 15 R days in NOV, you would owe 5 R days. If you want to knock out more hours than that, you will need to bid a hard line, and then you would be able to use some of the techniques described above.
Try the search feature, this has been asked and answered many times before.
Last edited by boost; 10-22-2010 at 08:21 AM.
10-22-2010 | 09:57 AM
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WARNING!!!
There are BIG differences between what you can do with vacation on a hard line vs. a reserve line. You asked about bidding vacation with a RESERVE line and people are giving you techniques that would only work with a hard line, so be careful!
For example, reserve line holders may not EXPAND their vacation, they may only EXTEND their vacation by the days calculated in that formula. If you have 7 days of vacation and you bid a RESERVE line, then you have a choice between 7 and 10 days of vacation. If you elect to EXTEND it to the maximum 10 days, then your bank will be docked 10 x 4:36 or about 46 hours. That is it! Since there are 15 R days in NOV, you would owe 5 R days. If you want to knock out more hours than that, you will need to bid a hard line, and then you would be able to use some of the techniques described above.
Try the search feature, this has been asked and answered many times before.
There are BIG differences between what you can do with vacation on a hard line vs. a reserve line. You asked about bidding vacation with a RESERVE line and people are giving you techniques that would only work with a hard line, so be careful!
For example, reserve line holders may not EXPAND their vacation, they may only EXTEND their vacation by the days calculated in that formula. If you have 7 days of vacation and you bid a RESERVE line, then you have a choice between 7 and 10 days of vacation. If you elect to EXTEND it to the maximum 10 days, then your bank will be docked 10 x 4:36 or about 46 hours. That is it! Since there are 15 R days in NOV, you would owe 5 R days. If you want to knock out more hours than that, you will need to bid a hard line, and then you would be able to use some of the techniques described above.
Try the search feature, this has been asked and answered many times before.
Sluggo asking about a "reserve line" - http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...tml#post888127
&
LAG asking about a "hard line" - http://www.airlinepilotforums.com/ca...tml#post888191
Your reminder of the search function is still valid though!
10-22-2010 | 11:00 AM
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WARNING!!!
There are BIG differences between what you can do with vacation on a hard line vs. a reserve line. You asked about bidding vacation with a RESERVE line and people are giving you techniques that would only work with a hard line, so be careful!
For example, reserve line holders may not EXPAND their vacation, they may only EXTEND their vacation by the days calculated in that formula. If you have 7 days of vacation and you bid a RESERVE line, then you have a choice between 7 and 10 days of vacation. If you elect to EXTEND it to the maximum 10 days, then your bank will be docked 10 x 4:36 or about 46 hours. That is it! Since there are 15 R days in NOV, you would owe 5 R days. If you want to knock out more hours than that, you will need to bid a hard line, and then you would be able to use some of the techniques described above.
Try the search feature, this has been asked and answered many times before.
There are BIG differences between what you can do with vacation on a hard line vs. a reserve line. You asked about bidding vacation with a RESERVE line and people are giving you techniques that would only work with a hard line, so be careful!
For example, reserve line holders may not EXPAND their vacation, they may only EXTEND their vacation by the days calculated in that formula. If you have 7 days of vacation and you bid a RESERVE line, then you have a choice between 7 and 10 days of vacation. If you elect to EXTEND it to the maximum 10 days, then your bank will be docked 10 x 4:36 or about 46 hours. That is it! Since there are 15 R days in NOV, you would owe 5 R days. If you want to knock out more hours than that, you will need to bid a hard line, and then you would be able to use some of the techniques described above.
Try the search feature, this has been asked and answered many times before.
Boost is essentially correct for reserve lines. However, in November, the credit is 4:51/day (I am assuming you are a MD-11 FO, if not check your bidpack). When you use the formula, you have to Round Down. Let's assume you have 7 days of vacation. If your credit is over 4:48/day, you will only get to extend your vacation 2 days. Just go to bid period processing and see how many days you can extend....
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