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Old 02-14-2008, 11:47 AM   #1  
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What is the policy at your airline regarding your flying activities outside of your full time job? I would like to continue build PIC time when I get that first regional job. (To make me more competitive for a major someday.) Do they feel any differently about club operations (unpaid) than say instructing at an FBO for pay (counting against your 1000per year)? Do your logs get audited or anything? ("What is this 20 hours of instruction given last month?") Or, is it a 'don't ask, don't tell situation? I would not want to loose my airline gig over a stupid side job, but if I can pick up a few extra bucks and/or just log the hours uncompensated it would be nice.

The time was this would not even be an issue, but from what I'm reading a guy might have 2500+ hours one day with only 500pic if they get hired at a regional with low time. The Majors all seem to want that PIC to be over the 1000 hr mark to get the interview, so who knows what they are actualy hiring with.
Anyway thanks for any help you might have to offer. Trying to have any sort of plan on the way up in this business is akin to alpine skiing blind folded.
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I am sure there are many different policies regarding this. At SKW there is no problem so long as it does not interfere with your max day/week/month/year time. They do ask that you disclose any other flying your are doing for obvious reason. If you fly the Bro you get an extra 20hrs a month you can fly (120 max) and if you are a line holder you could easily CFI 25-30hrs a month on the side. I have yet to run into anyone who does this but it could be done.

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Old 02-14-2008, 01:22 PM   #3  
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At RAH you can instruct so long as it's not for hire.
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Majors typically want 1000 hrs PIC turbine - more instructor time probably won't help you there...
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At PSA "Pilots must have written approval of the director of operations before doing any commercial flying outside the company" in my opinion probably not worth the trouble. As to the club stuff on the side, if it's CFI-ing then you probably get to default to the FAA interpretation that flight time IS compensation and therefore will count against max times.
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Thanks for the help. I didnt realize that there were other posts on the topic. Feel free to continue responding but I think I have all the info I need.
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XXXX Idiot, I replied to the wrong thread.
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At RAH you can instruct so long as it's not for hire.
For what its worth, the FAA considers flight time at a "free or reduced rate" to be "compensation". Therefore if you are logging the time it is still considered compensated flight for hire unless you are paying your pro rata share. So the trick is to find a place that will pay you under the table and not log it or to log the time but pay your pro rata share (but then whats the point?).
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Majors typically want 1000 hrs PIC turbine - more instructor time probably won't help you there...
i agree with this

Majors downt care about your 1000 pic in a 152
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Majors downt care about your 1000 pic in a 152
True dat. If you're wanting to instruct because you need to build your PIC time then I guess that sucks for you to have jumped so soon without having a solid core of PIC time. Now you need twice as much SIC time. Have fun with that. If you just want to go up and tool around on the weekends and instructing is a way to do it for free (or get paid) just make sure its off the books. Although according to the regs you have to log all instruction given, typically in your student's logbook, so good luck with that.

If you are wanting to do it for the money, you would probably be better off finding a job teaching a ground school or doing some sim work. It keeps you clear of any misinterpretations, miscommunications and grey areas that ANYONE could come up with and you still get to teach flying. Don't let anyone tell you that you need a GI certificate, you don't. A CFI qualifies you to do the same thing as a GI (more really, since you can teach in an airplane as well as a classroom).
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