From my thousands of hours over Asia, let me tell you that you cannot understand the international flying, UNLESS YOU HAVE THOUSANDS OF HOURS OVER ASIA! Not only Asia, but S. America, Africa, Oceania, etc. What works in our great country, does not work overseas. You must be able to understand how these third world air traffic controllers operate. Yes, hopefully an f/o will learn how to handle situational awareness after several years of this type of work, but please do not think that the world wide ACMI business is anything like our domestic operations. I work for a scheduled 121 carrier in the vast Asian continent, and we spit out lots of guys that think things out here should be like the USA. It just doesn't work that way, and anyone thinking that they can hack a job at a major international freight-hauler should consider my advice. I personally work for a passenger carrier, you must carry a serious sense of humor to even show up to work. On the other hand, I love this work, and it pays lots of money. Nuff said.

 

Would ATLAS consider a guy with a 744 type (and maybe 500hrs SIC time on type) and no turbine PIC whatsoever? also 737CL SIC time...

Is turbine PIC a really must?

 

So were you born with the knowledge and experience flying over Asia?

 

Some info to brush up on before your next trip;
Dictionary - Definition of humility

 

Well said. Sadly I was not born with the knowledge to fly in Asia. Luckily I was born with a pilots license since learning something knew is not possible.

 

Indeed, it can be a whole new arena for those that haven't done it. As well as probably try to patience of an LCA, or a seat support/IOE FO if the "newbie" has a slow leaning curve. Yet despite this, they continue to hire "RJ drivers" as well as turn them down. As well as continue to hire those with heavy/widebody experience, as well as turn them down also.

Which would lead one to conclude that at the end of the day, it's about the quality of the candidate and their overall score. As well as whether or not the HR reps think the the candidate is a good fit for Atlas, and the line pilot on the face to face portion thinks he/she can stand to hang with said candidate for a monthly pattern.


Read the requirements, not mandatory anymore. Of course the more comprehensive the resume, the better it looks in a competitive environment. But an FO I flew with didn't have ANY turbine PIC and got hired. Granted, he did have a very very strong internal rec. But just to point out, he still had to get himself through the all the pre interview filters, as well as the interview itself to secure the job. He's a good guy, solid pilot, and I'd fly with him anytime.

 

WT F? You guys that think there is something special about crossing the pond must be on crack. It is simply about procedures and contingency plans.

Get off your high horse.

I have have 17,000 hours and approaching a thousand of ocean crossing from a 727 to a 747, same sh*t different day. Get over yourself, You are not anything special. You just do your job, and hopefully you do it correct, so I don't have to do it for you.

*** Ok that's a little harsh, but you get the point. just do the job you were trained for and all will work out.

 

+1 ^^^^^^^^^^

 

This is too much to let pass by without a little good natured sarcasm and ridicule for good measure. What an amazing post.

Duuuuude – Are you kidding me? Get over yourself.

From my thousands of hours over Asia, let me tell you that you cannot understand the international flying, UNLESS YOU HAVE THOUSANDS OF HOURS OVER ASIA!
“Understand THE international flying…..” Strange sentence format. Understand what, exactly, about THE international flying? The concept of flying aircraft from country to country, how someone can come up with that many stupid sounding 5 letter fix names, that whole crazy lat/long system, how it’s dark there and light at home, what the heck the guy in Myanmar said to you over the tin can and string he’s trying to talk to you with……. I mean be specific. It sounds like we all better get our guys on IOE to head on over to Asia and start flying circles in the sky so they can start working towards their first thousand hours.
Not only Asia, but S. America, Africa, Oceania, etc.
Ah – jeez – this IOE is going to take FOREVER!!

What works in our great country, does not work overseas.
Now you tell me! I sure could have used such wisdom last week when blew off my chinese ATC controller and decided not to use meters for my cruise level.

You must be able to understand how these third world air traffic controllers operate.
You mean like the best way to get an Indian air traffic controller to speak louder and faster is by saying “Say again”?

Yes, hopefully an f/o will learn how to handle situational awareness after several years of this type of work, but please do not think that the world wide ACMI business is anything like our domestic operations.
Learn how to handle situational awareness……. Whaaaaa? So, after several years, he’ll eventually learn how to handle the fact that he actually had situational awareness??? ........ and world wide ACMI not like domestic...... are you sure?

I work for a scheduled 121 carrier in the vast Asian continent, and we spit out lots of guys that think things out here should be like the USA.
Sounds like your hiring method needs some work. Only an idiot would trek to the other side of the planet (to the VAST Asian continent) for a flying job and show up thinking it will be like the USA.

It just doesn't work that way, and anyone thinking that they can hack a job at a major international freight-hauler should consider my advice.
After reading your post, I can’t imagine that anyone would be crazy enough to think they could “hack” such a job. Sounds like there’s only one person on the planet who could.
What advice have you actually given anyone to consider. So far, all you’ve done is make a lot of “master of the obvious” statements and tell us that anyone whose mother didn’t spend at least half her pregnancy actually airborne over Asia isn’t qualified to get in a jet and actually fly over Asia.

I personally work for a passenger carrier, you must carry a serious sense of humor to even show up to work.
Don’t worry they’re all laughing with you, trust me.

On the other hand, I love this work, and it pays lots of money. Nuff said.
Something I can finally agree with you on.

Bottom line – you sure have built this whole international flying thing into quite a big deal in your own mind. If it’s really that challenging for you, maybe you need to think about a change. After all, a man’s got to know his limitations.

 

All I'm saying is that companies can use these criteria (or any other) to sift through the thousands of apps on file.

The other point that candidates need to remember is that they are also filling the classes with new hires of different backgrounds. The mix is from all backgrounds, and levels of experience.

Good luck to those trying for a spot at Atlas...