why UPS is better than FedEx
05-07-2011, 01:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Alfaro120
... Yes, its nice to work at a job that appreciates your hard work, respects you and provides a comfortable work environment but in the end however, this is not why we go to work...
If you need someone to pat you on the back and tell you how great you are, then maybe FedEX or Southwest is for you but if you are like me and just want to work hard and go home and enjoy the fruits of your labor than there is no doubt in my mind that UPS is the place to be...
If you need someone to pat you on the back and tell you how great you are, then maybe FedEX or Southwest is for you but if you are like me and just want to work hard and go home and enjoy the fruits of your labor than there is no doubt in my mind that UPS is the place to be...
Your argument is silly. Besides, UPS pilots have to wear brown uniforms.
05-07-2011, 01:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Alfaro120
OK, why do you go to work? Why do you leave your family and home? Why did you spend all that time in school, college, making pocket change at a flight school or regional airline? The answer is simple...money. We work for money. Yes, its nice to work at a job that appreciates your hard work, respects you and provides a comfortable work environment but in the end however, this is not why we go to work. We work for pay (including benefits/retirement). Looking at the two pay scales UPS pays quite a bit more than Fed-EX. It would take a Fed-EX FE 13 years or 10 years as a narrow body FO to make what UPS would pay in 2 years. I know that life isn't all about money but if, God willing, I were to get hired at UPS someday I would use that money wisely, invest it and perhaps retire a few years early. After the first year, I could afford to take a nice vacation somewhere, perhaps take a few extra days off or give to those in need. I don't need a big boat, mansion or ocean front property nor do I care for those kind of things. It would be nice however to live comfortably, let my wife stay at home and raise the kids, help my children with college, help out family members and the list goes on and on. UPS helps you to achieve that kind of life quickly. You don't have to wait 5 or 10 years of "pretty good money" until you start making "really good money." If you need someone to pat you on the back and tell you how great you are, then maybe FedEX or Southwest is for you but if you are like me and just want to work hard and go home and enjoy the fruits of your labor than there is no doubt in my mind that UPS is the place to be. Besides, I doubt that UPS management is just waiting for opportunities to screw its pilot over. I'm not saying that Fed-Ex sucks just that UPS is better.
Well what makes you think you would be hired by either one of these companies? It's nice to try to go for the top paying outfit but like others have said there is more to picking a company to apply to. As it stands now UPS has pilots on furlough a few have just been picked up by FedEx. Go ask them what they think. Plus I know a few real good pilots who went through the FedEx interview and thought they did real good and were not selected so they get to come back next year and try again. You would be extremely fortunate to be selected by either place in this environment today. The selection process is stiff to say the least. Just don't put all your eggs in one basket you might be sorry.
05-07-2011, 02:29 PM
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Originally Posted by Alfaro120
OK, why do you go to work? Why do you leave your family and home? Why did you spend all that time in school, college, making pocket change at a flight school or regional airline? The answer is simple...money. We work for money. Yes, its nice to work at a job that appreciates your hard work, respects you and provides a comfortable work environment but in the end however, this is not why we go to work. We work for pay (including benefits/retirement). Looking at the two pay scales UPS pays quite a bit more than Fed-EX. It would take a Fed-EX FE 13 years or 10 years as a narrow body FO to make what UPS would pay in 2 years. I know that life isn't all about money but if, God willing, I were to get hired at UPS someday I would use that money wisely, invest it and perhaps retire a few years early. After the first year, I could afford to take a nice vacation somewhere, perhaps take a few extra days off or give to those in need. I don't need a big boat, mansion or ocean front property nor do I care for those kind of things. It would be nice however to live comfortably, let my wife stay at home and raise the kids, help my children with college, help out family members and the list goes on and on. UPS helps you to achieve that kind of life quickly. You don't have to wait 5 or 10 years of "pretty good money" until you start making "really good money." If you need someone to pat you on the back and tell you how great you are, then maybe FedEX or Southwest is for you but if you are like me and just want to work hard and go home and enjoy the fruits of your labor than there is no doubt in my mind that UPS is the place to be. Besides, I doubt that UPS management is just waiting for opportunities to screw its pilot over. I'm not saying that Fed-Ex sucks just that UPS is better.
05-07-2011, 03:06 PM
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UPS pilots - thanks for the responses in this thread. I guess I may have ticked off a couple people on this thread so for that I'm sorry...but then again it would'nt be an airline forum without a bit of controversy and nerves 
Stratosphere makes a good point, that it would be tough to land a job at either Fed-Ex or UPS, but why is that? why is it so tough? The reason is simple, they are the top paying airlines in the U.S. I will do everything in my power to get hired at either one (UPS first choice) but I know my chances are tough as there are plenty of good and well qualified pilots waiting to apply. I will never apply for an airline like Virgin, Allegiant or other similar ones, even if the pilots there are content. To work for an airline that pays so lousy is a slap in the face to those who've worked so hard over the decades to get the pay scales that this profession deserves. With that being said, UPS tops the charts when it comes to compensation.
Findavefine also makes a good point with regards to those on furlough. To me, this is the one big negative about UPS and it is a concern that while UPS is doing quite well financially these 100 plus pilots are still on the streets. I am anxious to see them get their jobs back soon as I know you all are as well. The positive side is that UPS is doing well in the market place even during this tough economy. The way I see it, the economy will eventually improve and UPS will be in a great position to dominate the industry and expand and grow. I believe the days are coming, hopefully sooner than later that UPS will hire again and QOL will improve.
Stratosphere makes a good point, that it would be tough to land a job at either Fed-Ex or UPS, but why is that? why is it so tough? The reason is simple, they are the top paying airlines in the U.S. I will do everything in my power to get hired at either one (UPS first choice) but I know my chances are tough as there are plenty of good and well qualified pilots waiting to apply. I will never apply for an airline like Virgin, Allegiant or other similar ones, even if the pilots there are content. To work for an airline that pays so lousy is a slap in the face to those who've worked so hard over the decades to get the pay scales that this profession deserves. With that being said, UPS tops the charts when it comes to compensation.
Findavefine also makes a good point with regards to those on furlough. To me, this is the one big negative about UPS and it is a concern that while UPS is doing quite well financially these 100 plus pilots are still on the streets. I am anxious to see them get their jobs back soon as I know you all are as well. The positive side is that UPS is doing well in the market place even during this tough economy. The way I see it, the economy will eventually improve and UPS will be in a great position to dominate the industry and expand and grow. I believe the days are coming, hopefully sooner than later that UPS will hire again and QOL will improve.
05-07-2011, 03:24 PM
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I think your post show some of the short coming of comparing airlines strictly from the pay and retirement page. Hourly rates as published on APC, or any other website are a bit misleading. As someone has already alluded, trip rig, duty rig and other minimum pay provisions and vacation pay, affect take home pay to such an affect that hour rates, why a good guide, just don't tell the whole story. As such, it pays to read the blogs on this and other aviation sites to get a truer picture about who pays the most (as that appears to be your only criteria 
)
Strictly talking money, we at FedEx do good and some pilots do great. I can't speak for Brown, but for guys/gals who are willing to chase money at the expense of all else (mainly time at home and the willingness to leave on short notice to chase a trip) you can make some really great money. But at the end of the day, do you live to work or work to live?
) Strictly talking money, we at FedEx do good and some pilots do great. I can't speak for Brown, but for guys/gals who are willing to chase money at the expense of all else (mainly time at home and the willingness to leave on short notice to chase a trip) you can make some really great money. But at the end of the day, do you live to work or work to live?
05-07-2011, 03:38 PM
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Alfaro - You don't need to apologize, nobody got "angry". A lot of guys, both UPS and FDX, are trying to give you some advice from first-hand experience. Money is fine, but folks are telling you that you can do just as well as FDX, and for a much more enjoyable work life. Believe it.
And believe it or not, after 21 years here at the brown paradise, I would leave in a heartbeat if FDX or Cathay, or Cargolux or possibly a few others would hire me. I am NOT kidding you. I am flying worse schedules here than I was 20 years ago. It gets really, really old. I'm far too old now for them to hire me, but I would gladly take a pay cut not to have to put up with this acrimonious environment the rest of my career.
And believe it or not, after 21 years here at the brown paradise, I would leave in a heartbeat if FDX or Cathay, or Cargolux or possibly a few others would hire me. I am NOT kidding you. I am flying worse schedules here than I was 20 years ago. It gets really, really old. I'm far too old now for them to hire me, but I would gladly take a pay cut not to have to put up with this acrimonious environment the rest of my career.
05-07-2011, 03:38 PM
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I know one 777 F/O doing 140 hours this month. I choose to do 68 hours this month with a first class Cathay Pacific DH to Asia and only 3 legs in the FedEx 777 tube. To me living within my means and time at home is more important. It's not all about the cash.
05-07-2011, 03:46 PM
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Originally Posted by USMCFDX
I know one 777 F/O doing 140 hours this month. I choose to do 68 hours this month with a first class Cathay Pacific DH to Asia and only 3 legs in the FedEx 777 tube. To me living within my means and time at home is more important. It's not all about the cash.
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