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Gunter 05-29-2011 06:49 AM

The process needs to be fixed for sure.

But since this is what we have now we have to know how it works for best results.

onetime 05-29-2011 07:25 AM


Originally Posted by golfandfly (Post 1000264)
I remember both of those, particularly the VCP-SJU-MEM. Have you ever flown that pairing? I have flown it once (not when it was disputed) and it is a very difficult sequence. I'm not sure I have been more tired upon arriving at MEM. I will not fly this pairing again.

Fact is that if we would have hung tough, they would have worked in an SJU layover or a crew change and deadhead home. We didn't, the union pulled the dispute, and we have that crappy trip on the books today.

This is how our pairings start getting real bad..... There is a consequence for the rest of us when our fellow pilots fly these trips....

I was assigned that trip off reserve during or slightly after the disputed period and I recall everyone on the aircraft being asleep at one point. Terrible pairing. Point well taken. Had we done it right, and not flown it for 3 months, what was to stop the powers that be from saying "shut up and fly it." The language needs to be airtight the next go round.

JustUnderPar 05-29-2011 09:15 AM


Originally Posted by MaydayMark (Post 999710)
The MEM Capt. is a FAMOUS, "What's in it for me?" guy!

The "What's in it for me crowd is everywhere". At UPS we have a Capt that recently moved to Hawaii. I guess between that and the "new" wife (and paying off the old one) it was just too expensive. The IPA has been AWESOME at making these guys realize exactly what they are doing (when Open time/JA's are accepted) and the basics of how unions work. Well needless to say this guy got about 75 hours of pay for about 5 days of work by accepting a "Draft/JA" as an FO.

Some people will NEVER get it. It's just this once. It's too much money........What ever!!!

fdx727pilot 05-29-2011 05:00 PM


Originally Posted by MaydayMark (Post 999710)
The MEM Capt. is a FAMOUS, "What's in it for me?" guy! Like MD11 says, he's on other (national!) lists :mad:

Whoa, pot and kettle scenario here. You've made yourself famous MM.

MaydayMark 05-29-2011 05:15 PM


Originally Posted by fdx727pilot (Post 1000588)
Whoa, pot and kettle scenario here. You've made yourself famous MM.

Yikes! I have NEVER flown a disputed pairing ("If" I did it was assigned on Reserve?) and I have NEVER crossed a picket line. I have to assume by your derogatory posting that you have (or at least that's OK with you!*?).

I accept your apology :eek::eek::eek:

AerisArmis 05-29-2011 10:13 PM


Originally Posted by fdx727pilot (Post 1000588)
Whoa, pot and kettle scenario here. You've made yourself famous MM.

MM might be famous but not for anything to do with this thread. Pony up some facts or back down.

pipe 05-29-2011 11:22 PM


Originally Posted by MaydayMark (Post 1000602)
Yikes! I have NEVER flown a disputed pairing ("If" I did it was assigned on Reserve?) and I have NEVER crossed a picket line. I have to assume by your derogatory posting that you have (or at least that's OK with you!*?).

I accept your apology :eek::eek::eek:


I believe the reference is to MM denying a training swap because there was nothing in it for him.

I think that pretty clearly puts him in the "what's in it for me" camp.

PIPE

fdx727pilot 05-30-2011 01:30 PM


Originally Posted by AerisArmis (Post 1000771)
MM might be famous but not for anything to do with this thread. Pony up some facts or back down.




Originally Posted by pipe (Post 1000780)
I believe the reference is to MM denying a training swap because there was nothing in it for him.

I think that pretty clearly puts him in the "what's in it for me" camp.

PIPE

As Pipe has mentioned, while MM may not have crossed a picket line or flown a DP, he has certainly made himself famous as a "What's in it for me" type of guy. Along with no scabbing or DP flying, I have never turned down a request to approve a training swap, even when it didn't benefit me. Mark has told the world that he has. Do you need a thread link, AA?

FXDX 05-30-2011 02:21 PM

I am not necessarily a fan of MM and certainly not of his choice to block a swap, but there is a difference between that and flying a dp.

There is a tremendous difference between either of those and being a scab.

I am not condoning or trying to excuse any of those actions, and deplore all of them to varying degrees.

But lets not get carried away with the character assassinations please.

AerisArmis 05-31-2011 02:26 PM

[QUOTE=FXDX;1000982]I am not necessarily a fan of MM and certainly not of his choice to block a swap, but there is a difference between that and flying a dp./QUOTE]


Would you let a non-member jump in front of you or would you block the swap? Not saying that's the case but without knowing the circumstances, it's hard to pass judgement on why he did it. Maybe he had a reason. Or, maybe he was just being a Richard Cranium. I guess he knows.

BTW, ANC #96/24 Jun is back in open time.


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