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Originally Posted by KiwiKanFly (Post 1009296)

My Friend writes the following....

"A fellow HKG crew member was just denied a jump seat, MEM-NRT, by our
own company crew member, while returning from a Class reunion in the
US. The Captain's explanation was that the airplane is just too
crowded. I find this behavior and explanation unacceptable. Please
advise me if there is something my Union can address. I want to
express my concern for what may be a real issue. I am not a commuter
and live in Hong Kong, however, needed to go to xxxxx for my
immediate family. I myself never received a response from the PIC
for the flight from HKG-MEM.. I called jump seat and they allowed me
to still show for the flight. I was told by the Captain that I wasn't
to use the seats or the bunks in flight. Basically he wanted me to lay
on the floor in between the R1 door and the row of seats, I
fortunately had a bedroll to lay on. I am not alone in this request.
I have spoke with Captains and Fo's based here in Hong Kong who have
experienced similar situations and requests from crews, specifically,
the B777 MEM crews operating the long-haul flights.

Jump seating is a privilege and not a right. I am aware of that, but
to be denied by your own company and treated like a low class citizen
is really not what our Union should be promoting either.

If you want to be treated as a low class citizen try being a mech in dealing with a VERY small contingent of 777 crews. I had one recently with three crew (all captains) that beggered belief. Never come across anything like it before. Not the useful polite and friendly working relationship that I am used to from the other 99% of you guys:D

I told you we should have insisted on NB payrates for the 777.

If we had one pay rate all the scum wouldnt float to the top. :rolleyes:

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Originally Posted by FDXLAG (Post 1009379)

I told you we should have insisted on NB payrates for the 777.

If we had one pay rate all the scum wouldnt float to the top. :rolleyes:

I agree, I vote for a "Boeing" pay rate (i.e. 727, 757, 777). In fact, I'd even bargain stuff away to get it after our union leadership all seemed to migrate there without a pay scale!*? :eek:

"Grumpy Old Man" is a cliche for a reason. :mad:

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Originally Posted by Flightmech (Post 1009350)

You want to hear something even more funny..I heard that some crews have almost gone to blows on the 777 over which capt is going to do what would normally be f/o duties.. Gotta love the egos.

OK, I'm going to weigh in on this issue as a 777 captain. You can flame away if you wish...If I'm operating a double crew pairing (and assuming I don't have an AF aircraft) I'm going to allow 2 jumpseaters. My priority is to take care of my crew. I'm not going to force them to be in the bunks or in the cockpit seats. There are 4 seats in the back and as far as I'm concerned, 2 of them are for the off duty crew, whether they use them or not. So, double crew, I'll take 2, single RFO, I'll take 3, non-augmented crew, I'll take 4 (maybe 6). If you email me I'll tell you within 24 hours if there is a problem...sorry I can't force the other captains to show the same courtesy.

Now, all that being said, and I've been on the jet for more than a year, I have NEVER had to say no to a jumpseater because we had too many people on the jet. Even going to ANC, it's just not an issue. (I think on most nights we have at least 3 jets going to ANC.)

Personally, I've never had a problem with determining who was the PIC on double crewed leg. Up until the end of this month it was simply the senior captain. Pretty easy to figure out. I've also never had an issue in asking a relief captain to do the preflight if he was the RFO.

Maybe some of you guys have had bad experiences. I'm sorry to hear that. But maybe some of this is the usual BS that gets all blown out of proportions. Obviously, I don't know.

OK, flame away. I'll just be another A**h*** 777 captain.

MG2

As a commuter I've had captains let me know that I'm welcome aboard but the crew has priority on seats/bunks/etc. It's really a simple solution. Allow the commuter with the stipulation the crew comes first.
If I end up on the floor in a sleeping bag, so be it, but at least I get to work/home.
Any commuter who doesn't understand that and wouldn't be willing to get out of a seat/bunk/wherever would surprise the heck out of me.

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Originally Posted by MacGuy2 (Post 1009472)

No flame here..Sounds pretty fair to me.. Seems like you are pretty squared away. Do not know about your 777 brethren though..

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Originally Posted by MacGuy2 (Post 1009472)

If I'm operating a double crew pairing (and assuming I don't have an AF aircraft) I'm going to allow 2 jumpseaters. My priority is to take care of my crew. I'm not going to force them to be in the bunks or in the cockpit seats.
MG2

MG2:

I'm not on the airplane but what you have said sounds totally logical and is how I would operate as well, if I were a 777 CA. Thank you for being practical.

However, the guy in question (initials SM, see first page) on said flight is quoted as saying "with a double crew, it's too crowded to take a jumpseater." I read the dudes email to the denied jumpseater.

I hope someone talks to this particular and peculiar capt.

Beware the 777 crews. They are getting a reputation all over the planet for good reason. Sad but true.