PurpleTail

Can I drop a trip and then turn right back around and pick it back up as OTP make up? Just curious...

Thanks,

PT

v1 uh-oh

Yes, you can.

flextodaline

......and we wonder why it takes the schedulers so long to approve/deny our M/U requests....

MaxKts

Yes - But you have to wait for them to process the drop before you can request the trip as OTP.

Do you have all day to sit around and wait on CRS? Because someone else might snag it out from under you

DLax85

Yes --- you just can't decline a trip while in SUB and then use OTP to pick that trip back up.

However, they can Draft you for a trip you just declined in SUB.

tennesseeflyboy

So where is all this talk about getting "REAL TIME BID LINE ADJUSTMENTS" ??? Heard it for a while ................... nothing lately (?)

Adlerdriver

It's in the "Open Time Follies" thread about two-thirds down the cargo page.

Adlerdriver

I have another SUB/OTP question and I'd rather not start a new thread. As usual, the contract is difficult to interpret and I'm having trouble corroborating some of the statements in the sub section of the ALPA calendar.

Scenario: You have back to back trips and the first trip gets revised, conflicting with the following trip.

The revision gets you well into the 200% overage and pays well over the guarantee for the second trip so it makes financial sense to take the overage instead of sub for the second trip.

The ALPA calendar gouge says you can:
1) accept substitution (not a good plan in this case)
2) drop the trip in conflict w/o pay and get the overage w/ the second trip's hours put in your M/U bank.
3) elect OTP

The gouge says if you elect option 3 (OTP), you get the trip guarantee for the extended trip AND overage is paid as if the conflicting trip was dropped. I can't find a supporting paragraph to back this up in the contract, so I can only assume this has been verified by the authors of the calendar (since it's been that way for the last 6 years).

So, my question is, why would someone elect option #2 when option #3 appears to give the same pay AND OTP for the second trip CH? If you don't use the OTP hours in the next 2 months, they just become regular M/U hours which is the same situation as option #2.

I'm asking because when this happened, a scheduler told me if I elected OTP then I would only get trip guarantee for the first trip and no overage. This directly contradicted the calendar but since that's not binding and I couldn't find supporting info in the contract, I took option #2 to ensure I got the overage.

Thoughts? Personal experience or contract references?

Thanks.

FlybyKnite

Call Contract Admin (yeah, I know ) and pointedly ask for the contract reference that makes the ALPA calendar item valid/reality. And if there is a discrepancy, then they need to tell Susie to change the calendar info. In reality, some answers are not actually in the printed CBA, but in some unpublished, agreed-to alternate form between the company & union (e.g. grievance, side letters, etc.), hence the need to call Contract Admin for confirmation.

KnightFlyer

I always thought option 2 was the way to go IF the first trip kicked into the overage.

In the FCH days before CS implemented SUB, you'd get paid for both (trip operational change that you had no control over). Oh well.